Draft talk:Yuuki

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An IP editor made a change to the intro, do you think this is OK for you? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 07:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * That was me. --Yuuki (Wikimedian) (discuss • contribs) 09:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
This is my institute's page on Wikiversity, just like University of Canberra. My institute "researches" several disciplines including programming and mathematics, and those items fit the scope. This page could correspond to a lab page in a traditional university. Wikiversity's  and   namespaces have the fatal problem of not being indexed by search engines. It is a very serious problem that research by alternative educational institutions or independent researchers based on unschooling or antischooling philosophy which could be hosted on Wikiversity is not indexed by search engines and is less likely to be known to the public. If such an independent study activity is discouraged, it is questionable what Wikiversity exists for. --Yuuki (Wikimedian) (discuss • contribs) 09:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Does this make sense to you? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 09:16, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It does not make sense since: I Googled "Yuuki Kindergarten" and found almost nothing, so I conclude that "Yuuki Kindergarten" is not a "research institute". The author should probably feel free to use their user space as a draft space, but mainspace is unfit for this purpose.
 * One has to contrast the value of 1) learning by writing into wiki and 2) creating something that others would want to peruse. The former is served well by userspace; it is only 2) for which one needs the mainspace. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I also searched in Wikidata just for "Yuuki" to see whether it registers an entity that is called "Yuuki" and is a research institute or a similar organization and found nothing. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The lack of Google or Wikidata results is natural due to the non-mainstream, sole proprietorship nature of alternative educational or research institutions. I don't think popularity or juridical personality is necessary for something to be called a "research institute". Research, unlike learning, is not something organized like a textbook, but an exploration of something for which we do not know the answer or what it means. I think Wikiversity should be a place for us to make it public, but I think your point is valid if there is any policy that prevents us from doing that in the main namespace. --Yuuki (Wikimedian) (discuss • contribs) 09:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * All sorts of small organizations have internet presence. The entity called "Yuuki" does not seem to have any internet presence. A wiki administration has to be based on publicly accessible information.
 * The page Yuuki does not contain any research; it looks like exercise playground (which is fine for userspace). To wit, C code to calculate prime numbers using a simple well-known algorithm is not "research" and can be found e.g. in Rosetta Code. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 10:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Your point is correct if this is Wikipedia, but is there such a policy in Wikiversity? At my institute, I use the word "to research" to also mean "to study" or "to learn". It has to do with its name having "kindergarten". I think for the sake of academic freedom, such judgments should not be made on any research activity on Wikiversity. --Yuuki (Wikimedian) (discuss • contribs) 10:43, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think research on national flags, constellations, cars, etc., as kindergarteners often do, is wonderful. My "kindergarten" would allow adults to do that as well. It is not uncomfortable to "research" first grade math here. At least it makes more sense than calling studying something that you will forget after the exam "studying". --Yuuki (Wikimedian) (discuss • contribs) 10:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I opened a RFD, which in my view is the best way to handle speedy deletion requests that are challenged. Then, we will have common practices and deliberations available for a convenient review in one place. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 11:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)