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Electrical & Electronic Engineering?
Shouldn't the topic be called Electrical & Electronic Engineering? 57.66.65.39 15:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC) I agree. Is it possible to rename pages?


 * I agree, I'm not an electronic enegineer, I'm an eletrical engineer!--Rayc 22:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree too I will change it to Electrical & Electronic Engineering--Mrebus 21:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Page arrangement
Who's here anyway? I think maybe we should move lessons off the main page and into sub categories, to allow for topics like electronic materials and devices and circuit design and analysis. We should probably also seperate digital and analogue electronics.


 * I agree. That would be better if we could do the sub-categories.For example Microprocessor Systems, Control Theory, Automation, Robotics, Mecatronics. But i think it is ok for now,because we dont have too many lessons right now, maybe we can seperate them later. Cengiz Isik 02:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I had proposed this earlier on, and have implemented this as requested. Right now, we don't have many lessons, so I guess it is ok for people to add lessons in the main page, I shall keep an eye out and link the pages as required.Misericordia 02:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

School:Electronics
Please coordinate with School:Electronics. --JWSchmidt 03:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Can we just merge the content from this page into the Electronic Engineering school's courses? Seems like the Electronics school page is even less organised than the electronic engineering school and doesn't have the potential to be very comprehensive without a complete rewrite --Spuzzdawg 01:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, although it seems that page is intended to be a course, and so it seems that it could be moved into the Topic namespace. I'd recommend getting in touch with the author of that page to see whether they have any intention of developing the course, or what plans they have for it, and to work out a way for productive collaboration. Cormaggio talk 13:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems wasteful to have multiple projects on the same topic working independantly of one another. I would also suggest that the other project, at least at the moment, would appear to be better suited to wikibooks --Spuzzdawg 13:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Organization
I was surpried to see the small amount of content in this section of the wikiversity. As a suggestion, I think that instead of starting the lesson on electronical elgeeniring with mathematical laws, the lesson should begin explaining what is and what is not electronics.

Also, since electronics is so broad, it will be very difficult and pointless to try to have very specific and in depth information on all subjects. Also, consider that to give an adequate course on a given subject, you need a very good understanding of that field and nobody has a very good understanding of every field of electronics. So,I sugest we give a overview of electronics with in depth articles

I would recoment something like the following:

What are electronics. What an electronic signal is. Explain voltage and current and how it represent the information of interest in a signal.

Explain the difference between passive electronics devices and active electronic devices.

Explain the difference between analog and digital. (A good explanation is needed here, not just the incorrect usual "analog is dead, digital is the future").

The resistor, and its laws (ohms, kirchol, etc.) Some simple resitor networks (all direct current or voltage only).

Better concept of how the information of interest can be represented by and electronic singal, introduction of Alternating current, Frecuency and phase concepts.

Pasive analog electronic components: Resistor Capacitor and Inductor and their propieties. Some simple filters.

Pasive analog filter design.

Active components: Diode, Bipolar transitor and MOSFET transitor.

The most important analog building block : The operational amplifier

Opamp configurations: Add, substracnt, multiply/divide, integrate and diferentiate.

Digital Logic: Diferences between analog and digital.

Binary system, Boolean logic, and basic memoryless digital gates.

Digital gates with memory: Flip flops.

Finite State Machines.

Some sugestions for In-depth articles:

Analog system processing. Digital system processing. Moore's Law and system integration. Fabrication of semiconductor devices. Analog Active Filter. Microcontrollers MOSFET transistor modes, regions of operation, and frecuency response. Bipolar transistor modes, regions of operation, and frecuency response. Diferencial pair.

Just some thoughts. Let me know what do you think. NightHawk

Misericordia 22:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this, further I would like to propose the following amendments.

Since the discipline of electrical engineering is so broad, I think it would be worth while to break it up into several main groups, in particular:

- Electronics (all of the pages submitted thus far would fall under this category)

- Power Systems (something like three phase power)

- Control Theorey (variable gain, PID, statespace)

- Signal Processing (fourier transform, filter design, concept of spectra)

- Analogue Communications (AM/FM modulation techniques, filter design)

- Digital Communications (digital modulation techniques eg, ASK, QPSK; it may be worthwhile to look at coding techniques eg turbo coding, shannon's limit; there's always CDMA to look at as well)

- RF communications (high frequency effects, impedance matching, smith charts)

please let me know what you think.

Misericordia

At U of T we have the following divisions within electrical:

Photonics: fiber optics, lasers, and light based technologies and also optical communications systems (at the physical layer)

Power: energy systems, motors, generators, various power converters, solar power

Communications: large group which includes information theory, signals and systems, encryption, digital signal processing, digital modulation techniques (ASK, QPSK, etc), wireless communications, error control coding, computer networks, multimedia systems.

Electromagnetics: transmission lines, microwave circuits, waveguides, antennas, computer simulation of EM problems like FDTD or method of moments,

Biomedical - ?? not sure exactly but they study how to address medical problems using electrical technolgies e.g. nuclear magnetic resonance imaging. This field is new and interdisplinary.

Electronics - essentially electronic circuit. They also create some RF circuits so there is overlap with Electromagnetics. They tend to be more focuse on RF circuits as part of a larger system.

Computers - microprocessors, computer architecture, compilers, programming languages, distributed systems, digital hardware, embedded systems, operating systems, digital logic design, databases, etc.

Systems Control - Feedback control systems. This is a very large field with a lot of theory so it is a separate discipline. Topic include: robust control, adaptive control, observability, controlability, real time control, nonlinear control etc.

It should be noted that these divisions are based on focus. There is however some overlap. For instance: both computer engineers and electronics engineers are interested in VLSI Cmos digital logic design. However in general the focus of computer engineers is more on creating processors or digital logic circuits. The focus of electronic engineers is on the circuits themselves and also on integrating them with A/D converters, analog circuits etc. The Electronics engineers tend to be more on the analog side and computer engineers more on the digital/microprocessor side. --70.49.57.198 23:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Newbies wanting to help...
Just a question: I'm currently studying Electronic Engineering and would like to (try to) contribute to the lectures. I'm not sure as to how it works, exactly, do we just fall in and type up contibutions or add to the empty topics, or are things happening in some certain order, i.e certain topics hetting allocated to certain people?

Regards,

R00ik0p

196.31.32.59 20:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nothing happens in any particular order, you are welcome to edit anything at any time. This is a wiki! I would recommend you register for a username though, so that people can identify you, and you can get credit for all your contributions. --Whiteknight 18:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Old Engineer, New to Wikiversity
Hi all. I studied Electronics & Electrical Engineering ('96) and I'd like to help out constructing these pages. I've already added a little bit under Silicon.

Teddy Bear 13:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Teddy Bear

Hi
Hi! Why they heck won't they let you use the same username for all wikimedia projects. Oh well whatever. Hi I am commonly known as NightFalcon90909 and someday when I am not being lazy I will actually sign up for wikiversity. In the meantime, I will be randomly visiting the pages in the school and generally cleaning up. I am still in highschool but am very interested in electronic/electrical engineering specifically. SO. I will clean up pages when I notice it, I will take stuff from Wikipedia and Wikibooks to improve these pages, and generally be a pain :-D 24.115.203.92 19:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

School: Electronic Engineering redirecting to Topic: Electronic Engineering
Why has the electronic school been removed and placed in the topic namespace? This seems to contravene the purpose of the different namespaces as explained to me in wikiversity_talk:namespaces. The entire outline for the course seems to have also been changed and not for the better in my opinion. --spuzzdawg 15:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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program layout questions and issues
the layout of the program ee seams a little odd  now i learned the technician method rather than engineering method but it seams the order of things is a bit off. heres some ideas i just put to paper also heres a coarse layout from devry if a couple others could find there coarse layouts and post them see if we can come up with some ideas. devry coarse layout all degrees anyhow its starting thougt hope it gets some pepole thinking     thers also a eet(ee) plan of study in that pdf at the top  and ya ect is 5 terms  i didnt post the last one if someone else has some ideas or contenuations on this  thats great   but i do think we need to look at it Eadthem 05:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

looking at it again most of its prob that i took technician track rather than engineering track i still think the first courses need to start off with simpler stuff as well as basic breadboarding and circuitry before doing any logic circuits Eadthem 06:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Level 0
added lvl 0 to the corse list  and some ideas i am thinking of remedial stuff here. intro to electronics,  Likely someone could skip allot but it would be there to bring every one up to speed under basic spice,   It was a thought perhaps the basics of a cad program  LTspice/switcher cad III beaning 100% free,  gEDA as its open source possibly harder to run,  and multisim  not free by any measure but widely used. test equipment was thinking how to use digital and analog  handled and bench meters hp has a nice standard bench meter. couple modals of oscopes ive got a analog tektronix 2246 prob a digital textronics would be nice to agilent is also rather popular so prob a digital one of them   maybe a bk precision and a pc oscope. also power supples as money will be tight for a lot of people. how to use battery's for circuits i know bk precision and i think hp/agilent make some standard looking analog and digital supplys. personally planning to put my schematic for a simple dual isolated supply up eventually when time comes as its not hard to build signal generators i only ever used a agilent digital signal gen i know theres others  prob would be nice to have one from a couple other makers. also for the above test equipment thinking would be nice to have hints and tips for buying ones own equipment off ebay or in store. the other 2 courses i think are likely needed as to what else should be in them  i don't know for sure. the following at level 0 are here for ideas on the talk page. Eadthem 05:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * EE ??? Intro to Electronics
 * Breadboarding, Basic spice, Soldering, test equipment
 * EE ??? Intro to Computers
 * Hardware basics, OS basics, Software basics
 * EE ??? Intro to Engendering Math
 * Algebra, Geometry, Trig

class descriptions
i think it would be nice to have these on all ower classes  i've put 4 out there already so you can see what it would look like or at least 1 idea for it. Also there are some classes that are less than clear exactly what thay cover and there pages arnt created yet. I suggest rather than start on them just to have a this is what this covers, on a page, putting a description below the class link this way if we need to alter the names of pages it wont take a move+redirect. Then we can make the pages when we have actual content to place on them. Eadthem 05:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC) for presveration shuld we decide to go back Level 0 the following at level 0 are here for ideas on the talk page. EE 001 Introduction to Engineering Principles Engineering throughout history,engineering types,engineering job market,expectations and ethics, PE Licensing and other certifications EE 005 Introduction to Computers Hardware principles,basic operating and file system usage,introductory software usage and design EE ??? Intro to Engendering Math Algebra, Geometry, Trig EE 090 Introduction to Electronics Basic Electric definition and principles,basic measuring devices,introductory breadboarding and solid state devices, basic spice, soldering and schematic basics Eadthem 08:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

class nav template
i've suggested a basic layout for page names and made a template for class pages its in use in the EE111 class. full class name/full lecture name EE_111_Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops Eadthem 05:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

class name proposal
I talked to jwschmidt and couple others on irc and a lot of people don't like the class number/name system for pages current system proposed system 1 this is what i have been using lately. proposed system 2 proposed system 3 ideas thoughts comments??? Eadthem 00:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * classes
 * EE 111 Digital Electronics
 * lectures
 * EE_111_Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
 * advantages
 * easy for someone who is trying to learn in classes
 * pages show in order by department(in the categorys)
 * problems
 * apparently confusing to a lot of people.
 * others also wouldn't be to hard to follow along in classes if they are done right.
 * classes
 * EE_Digital Electronics
 * lectures
 * EE_Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
 * advantages
 * pages show in order by department(in the categorys)
 * problems
 * maby little confusing at first? likely not a prob to someone interested in the field
 * classes
 * Digital_Electronics_EE
 * lectures
 * Digital_Electronics_EE/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
 * advantages
 * pages show in order by class and you can still tell witch department there related to(in the categorys)
 * problems
 * maby little confusing at first? likely not a prob to someone interested in the field
 * classes
 * Digital_Electronics
 * lectures
 * Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
 * advantages
 * like wikipedia
 * problems
 * like wikipedia perhaps makes it harder for someone to say learn on here as they would in univeristy (more of difference only to class names)
 * possible name collisions "analog electronics" for engineering  "analog electronics" for techichan (electron flow / hole flow |see hole vr electron see the find out why's)

online resources

 * United States Navy Electronic Training Course
 * Electrical Engineering and Computer Science - Thank you guys! this is great website! I have learned much from it, and also, this MIT free online website may do some helps. Please contact them if anyone need any source... (Comment moved to appropriate section --Gbaor 06:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC))

School Face Lift
Hey pips. Please comment on face lift for the department. Colour scheme can be discussed as well. Thanx! Thuvack 10:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking PCB green the black on dark purple isnt working thow hard to read Eadthem 23:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * PCB Green sounds good, Anyboy-else with other suggestion. If this is the only suggestion after a week, then I'll change Box-headers to PCB Green. -Thuvack 15:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅- What should we change the background colour to, I dont think lavender goes well with PCB green. - Thuvack 12:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * well theres 2 shades of PCB green
 * copper PCB greenMask PCB green
 * althow those colors prob arnt best, generally a PCB will use thick white lettering for all labels and text.
 * If you really wanted to implement PCB green you should have masked copper as the headers and mask green as the body   and white font with no flourishes   say  aerial  witch wiki already uses.Eadthem 11:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Please have a look at this proposed School Face lift. It incorporates catergorisation and course wish list on sub pages. Also Department news are moved to a sub page. Please see this discussion for clarity on motivations towards this standardisation. I will wait a week for comments before implementing this change.;-)Thuvack 05:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Please comment--Thuvack | talk 11:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


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