Talk:18th century European scholarly societies and academies

Absent objection, I'm moving the pages on Wikiversity, linked from the resource page, to subpages of the resource page, as being better organized (and safer) than being spread out in mainspace as individual pages. I've moved the two listings from Austria so far, I'll wait a little to move more to see if objection appears. Rather than doing a large pile of moves, creating a large pile of redirects to later be cleaned up.... --Abd 21:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Abd 00:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Some link problems.
I found that quite a few links, maybe all added by one student?, had a / at the end that make the link not work. Before saving an edit, an editor should do two things. First use Preview to see what the edit is going to look like. Second, if links were added or changed, click on them and make sure that they load (in Firefox, I right-click and open in a new tab so that I don't lose my edit, but most browsers nowadays will still have the edit if you back up). Even if you don't do this, check after you've made the edit. Doing it from preview avoids adding extra edits to the page history...

I also found what appears to have been spam. I deleted that change. I seem to recall seeing that in Recent Changes, but I had no idea what it might have been about, so I passed over it.... If for some reason, that belonged here, just revert it back! (Go to and Undo and Save, it should be easy. But if you do this, please explain why it belongs, in the edit summary!) --Abd 00:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Academy of Special Education in Warsaw
Academy of Special Education in Warsaw (Akademia Pedagogiki Specjalnej im. Marii Grzegorzewskiej w Warszawie)(TJU). There was a page created by Contributions/Tjunderh, Academy of Special Education in Warsaw. However, this organization, according the article created, was founded in 1922.. I see that the reference was added by the same user who created the school article. See also, where a reference was added to a non-existent Wikipedia article. I'd caught that in my review and removed it, but I left the school itself.

This user also added two listings:
 * Uniwersytet Wroclawski/University of Wroclaw est. mid 18th Century (TJU)
 * The Pontifical Academy of Theology (Papieska Akademia Teologiczna w Krakowie)The Pontifical Academy of Theology(TJU)

I'm suspecting that this user was not a student in the class, from the narrowness of scope compared to other students. That might be fine, as long as there is some responsible cleanup. Was it intended that the resource cover universities? I see from the example that "Roman academies" were included, with a "pontifical academy" as an example, that may have thrown this user off, or was the user correct? What's the scope? It says literary, artistic, and scientific academies and societies. Not religious ones or ordinary schools, which are also often called "academies."

Initials
What are the intials after the listings? --Abd 02:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody answered this back then, though it was fairly obvious. The initials with some listings are identifiers for the responsible user. MRB, for example, is User:Mrbaily. We might wish to remove these names from the resource page, at the top level. User names are in the edit histories of the subpages. Several pages had the creator names incorporated in the page names, I've just eliminated some of these. There is still a lot of work to do to clean up this resource. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 01:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Poland
In addition to the above non-18th century "academy" -- different type of academy -- I've removed the following from the resource page. Please put them back if they belong there, but my understanding is that these aren't in scope as the kinds of scholarly societies and academies covered.


 * Uniwersytet Wroclawski/University of Wroclaw est. 1702. University's Website (TJU) (Josh Anderson)
 * The Pontifical Academy of Theology (Papieska Akademia Teologiczna w Krakowie)(TJU)

You can reverse this by opening up this, then pressing Undo. If you only want to put one back, then delete the other one from the edit window. Please explain why you are putting it back in the edit summary, so that I can understand. Thanks. --Abd 14:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Found more files in mainspace
I found the following files in mainspace created by participants in this resource. I have moved them, but have not linked them from the resource page. It may be that some of them were superseded, or that some of them were linked and I just missed them.


 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Royal Irish Academy
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Societa Italiana
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Akademie der Künste
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Accademia delle Scienze dell'Istituto di Bologna
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Society of Antiquaries of Scotland
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Society of Antiquaries of Scotland
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Societa Botanica Fiorentina
 * 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Royal Military and Naval Academy

--Abd 17:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

For the future
I understand that the intention is for this to be an ongoing project, until completed to some reasonable condition, possibly moving on to some similar historical project after this. Cleaning this up was a lot of work, and it's still not done. In particular the following tasks remain:
 * Add categories to the individual pages. Each one of these pages, at the bottom, should have this added:


 * Convert links in the resource that go to the original mainspace pages to links to the subpages. This isn't an emergency, the current links work through the redirects.
 * Develop standard methods of listing and showing the work that has been done and the work that remains to do.
 * Set up explicit procedures for students to follow. Create a 18th century European scholarly societies and academies/Guidelines page to provide explicit, newbie-proof instructions for students. This will then have an attached Talk page for discussion.
 * Clean up the resource itself so that it reflects the guideline standards.
 * Create a class roster that shows all current active participants in the work. Require official students to use an account, which makes it far easier to track and coordinate work being done on the resource, and easier to identify and correct vandalism and other problem editing from others. (Wikiversity policy does allow a teacher to restrict participation, for a time, as I understand it, but there is no harm in allowing others to participate if you don't mind, and to help out in various ways, but all such other activity should be reviewed to make sure that it fits in with resource goals.)

I'm excited about the possibilities here, and very much appreciate that my offer of help was accepted. It's an opportunity to work out some operating guidelines that could help with many other classes, as well as making easier the work of those who try to watch for vandalism and other inappropriate editing. Student work is sometimes going to look improper, taken out of context. Thanks. --Abd 18:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)