Talk:Business/Companies/Agora

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Issues

 * contact: in july 2014 the business learning circle contacted Jan Verweij, one of the founders of Agora
 * 3 weeks passed, what's the response? Erkan Yilmaz 08:16, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The Beta problems centered around many resources like this. First of all, there is no "business learning circle" that has a mechanism for "contacting" a person. There are individuals. An individual contacted Mr. Verweij. Or did he? What actually happened? No clue. That is, I could say that I "contacted" someone if I send them an email, even if they make no response.


 * The Business learning circle has no signed-up participants. Essentially, it is a proposed learning circle. So, since I assume good faith, I interpret the text as having a meaning. So I assume that User:Timboliu "contacted Verweij." So what happened, indeed? And why wasn't this just reported straight, as a personal experience, instead of pretending that there is some thing in existence, the "business learning circle." Again, proposing learning circles, great! But don't pretend anything. And don't represent yourself as representing something that doesn't exist. I.e, "Hi, Mr. Verweij, I represent the Wikiversity business learning circle." None of us, without community authorization, represents Wikiversity.


 * Okay, you could do research on what happens when you pretend to be something that you aren't. This happens in business, in fact. It happens in politics. Want to make an impact, create an organization, create letterhead, make it look good, maybe create a web site, and then issue a press release. Much more impressive than simply writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper. However, around here this will make the natives restless. I don't recommend it. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 14:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Timboliu edited the copied material shown above, to read:


 * contact: in july 2014 Timboliu contacted Jan Verweij, one of the founders of Agora. We tried to upload a picture of the product, but the picture was deleted again for some reason. Timboliu contacted someone he knows from Wikimedia Commons but he got no reaction.


 * Hello Abd, I added my name instead of the business circle. Personally I prefer to work a little bit anonymous from a learning circle, especially on the Dutch wikiversity, because there I was the only one. Regarding the business circle. You are right that at the moment I'm the only person in this learning circle, but I hope that other people will join. Maybe you guys can join the learning circle? Timboliu (discuss • contribs) 20:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Timboliu, I reverted your change because your changing that made the following comments not make sense. I then copied your new version just above. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 04:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I wrote this before adding the note above. The big problem on the Dutch Wikiversity was, indeed, that you were the only one. Nobody was giving your guidance, and you continued for years this way. I looked at your user page there, and there was barely a peep or two. With no followup. So, from this point of view, we can be glad that there are now more users there. In that sense, there are possibilities. Unfortunately, they have come with a lot of Wikipedian conceptions that are inimical to the Wikiversity project. I might try to engage a Dutch user I know who might be helpful. Meanwhile, I'm not personally interested in joining a business circle. I'm interested in Wikiversity process, structure, and organization. Thanks for the invitation, though. Do you understand why I moved this here, to Talk?

Then I noticed that you had actually edited the report. So, now, about what you wrote. You have not researched the matter and given results. If a file was deleted on Commons, there will be a record. If you uploaded the file there, there would be a notice on your user page, normally, and it would explain why the page was deleted. The usual reason would be that permissions were not properly provided. I'll look.

First of all, there is this edit to this resource. That's Commons Delinker, which gives you the deletion reason, but not the whole reason. Okay, looking at your user talk page on Commons. My, my, my.

Timboliu, you are not paying attention. That's a warning. Did you upload File:99%_Guiltless_-_Designed_by_Agora.jpg? If you did, I'd expect to see a deletion warning on your Talk page on Commons. But it's not there. Now, the page you mentioned would have been uploaded, probably, before July 29, at least that is when it was tagged. Did you upload it as a different user? That could get you blocked, if you use a different user name to avoid warnings.

Take that warning seriously. Learn to properly upload files or don't upload them. You have been creating work for Commons users and administrators. Think about it. Every one of those warnings took up the time of a user to issue it, sometimes there is a discussion, and then an administrator needs to make a decision.

You can see the deletion reason here:.

I could not find a page with a reference to that file on it. I don't know why. Who uploaded it?

I saw something on Commons I'll mention here. You created a new discussion on a user talk page by editing the discussion above it. That creates that section header as the default edit summary for your new section, not the section name that you created. Use the Add Topic link at the top of the screen instead, and enter your new section head in the field provided. Otherwise the edit summary can be very misleading, as one was that I saw. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 04:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)