Talk:Introduction to Swedish

Scope of the course
 Vocabulary: 12 lessons should cover 500 words. Grammar: The course shall give a firm grammatical base. Spelling: Focus on connection between spelling and speaking. Translation: Each lesson shall have example sentences and example text. Exercises: The exercises should be in level with the lesson. Listening: Spoken examples shall be available for each lesson. Level: The work load of each lesson should be in level with the others. Diagnostic Test shall cover all lessons. There shall be correct answers to each exercise available. This course has focus on nouns and their declension. Following course should focus on verbs and vocabulary. 

Prerequisities
University level introductory course, which means that the audience has a certain knowledge of grammar. The student has studied other languages before. No previous knowledge of Swedish is required.

Remaining work on this course
 <li>Example texts for lessons spelling, definite forms and possessive forms <li>Make spoken examples <li>Complete Swedish-English vocabulary <li>Complete English-Swedish Vocabulary </ol>

Continuation to this course
This is a sketch how the continuation could be organised. Please feel free to give other suggestions.

Intermediate Swedish 1 <ul> <li> 12 lessons covering basic Swedish vocabulary for buying, medical, computers, animals, sports, maths, geography <li> Grammar focus on verbs, aspects etc, follow up on declensions. </ul>

Intermediate Swedish 2 <ul> <li> 12 lessons covering basic Swedish vocabulary for botanic, grammar, interview, history, archeology, letters, winter sports <li> Spoken language, basic slang, </ul>

Intermediate Swedish 3 <ul> <li> 12 lessons covering basic vocabulary for botanic, news paper articles, dialects, old swedish, games, astronomy </ul>

Advanced Swedish 1 <ul> <li> 12 lessons covering advanced Swedish vocabulary for computers, mechanics, physics, economy, law, grammar <li> Swedish language history. </ul>

Advanced Swedish 2 <ul> <li> 12 lessons covering advanced Swedish vocabulary for maths, history, archeology, chemistry, electronics, military terminology <li> Swedish literature, comparison to other Germanic languages. </ul>

Advanced Swedish 3 <ul> <li> 12 lessons covering advanced Swedish vocabulary for music, dance, political language, botanic/zoological, astronomy <li> Swedish culture, Swedish history </ul>

--Mats 21:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
There's no pronunciation guide... it's difficult to learn a language if you can't pronounce it. --Teemeah 09:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Can this help wiktionary:Wiktionary:About Swedish/Pronunciation ? Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 15:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking over this course in brief, definitely Swedish spelling (lesson 7 I think) is the weak link. (It's actually a guide on special cases of pronunciation).  It should be split into two lessons - first, "Swedish phonetic spelling rules" defining combinations like gn, then a second lesson covering pronunciation of everything from A to Ö.  Little gems in that section like "r can be pronounced five different ways" without detailing what they are -- not nearly good enough.  Either settle on a dialect that you're going to teach the student or else go over them all, but the student should not finish this course without being able to read words out loud with some minimal amount of confidence. Wnt 19:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Certificate
Informal, Non-Academic Certificate of Completion

Would it be possible to issue a Certificate of Completion to those taking this course? It would be an informal one, of course. --Leonardo T. Cardillo (discuss • contribs) 23:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikiversity is not a credential-granting institution. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 04:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * It does not have to be one to issue a Certificate. The Certificate may even include the disclaimer: "Wikiversity is not a credential-granting institution." --Leonardo T. Cardillo (discuss • contribs) 04:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * What you are suggesting was explicitly denied by the WMF when granting the Wikiversity charter. You might be able to issue completion certificates on your own somehow for a course you run, but Wikiversity isn't part of that effort and should not be mentioned. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * "What you are suggesting was explicitly denied by the WMF when granting the Wikiversity charter." I would also like to read that somewhere else, other than your words. May you please provide a link? Thank you, --Leonardo T. Cardillo (discuss • contribs) 16:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * See History of Wikiversity. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 19:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * CTRL F for Cer in your links shielded nothing: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:History_of_Wikiversity#Wikimedia_Foundation_approval; https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:History_of_Wikiversity . So I wrote certificate wikiversity in Google and found this link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiversity/What_Wikiversity_is_not. There, I read: "Wikiversity does/will not confer academic degrees/diplomas/certificates etc." I believe the confusion may be with the word "academic". At the very beginning of this discussion, I used the word "informal". I am rewriting my original question, to aid in clarity: Would it be possible to issue a Certificate of Completion to those taking this course? It would be an informal, non-academic one, of course. --Leonardo T. Cardillo (discuss • contribs) 02:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I repeat, what you are suggesting was explicitly denied by the WMF when granting the Wikiversity charter. You might be able to issue completion certificates on your own somehow for a course you run, but Wikiversity isn't part of that effort and should not be mentioned. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 04:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I repeat, I have not seen such a denial anywhere on WMF other than in your words. The Wikiversity creators of this Swedish Course may grant an Informal, Nonacademic Certificate of Completion for this Course if they want, it is not their obligation but it is not prohibited either. --Leonardo T. Cardillo (discuss • contribs) 05:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * This is denied. Evidence has been provided. Your blatant intent to disregard a founding Wikiversity principle has resulted in your account being blocked indefinitely. Any continued discussion will follow at User talk:Leonardo T. Cardillo. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)