Talk:Motivation and emotion/Book/2013/Aggression

Comments
Hi Olivia, I have had a browse over your work and it's good. As per the role of aggression, I have done power motivation and perhaps you can channel the aggression into positive outcomes such as winning roles in employment or sport? I did read a little about aggression and high achievers whilst doing my own research. Hope this helps and good luck.Sammarris (discuss • contribs) 05:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The role of aggression
I think in this part it would be good to discuss what does aggression achieve in our lives, how does it effect us negatively, how does it help us? i.e. aggressive behaviours often allow us to get what we want (shut someone up, emotional release, etc.)

maybe also the role of aggression as a history of aggression. i.e. what is aggression used for in animals how is that similar to how we use aggression in our own lives. This evolutionary perspective could also be linked to a good motivation theory regarding aggressive behaviours. i.e. the evolutionary perspective as a motivator for aggression (this is how it has been throughout human and animal evolution and so this is what we have learnt/how we have evolved, we are predisposed to this behaviour?).

Just some thoughts, hopefully they give you some direction if you are still stuck.

--Anerakneko (discuss • contribs) 05:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Feedback as requested from moodle
Hey there here is some feedback as requested on moodle  I see you are still at the early stages of your chapter and will be making many changes, but here are some suggestions for you.

Maybe when introducing the topic, along with a definition you could elaborate on the role of aggression as a social/psychological function. You could also include a light hearted anecdote about what happens when we are angry to introduce the topic in a hearty way.

I also suggest referencing the types of aggression that do not already have references on them as you may forget where you read this in a while! I make this mistake all the time, it is good to reference as you write (im sure you remember where it was from or looking for a back-up reference now). I hope you don’t mind too I formatted the five types of aggression, I was being ‘bold’.

I also suggest a good practice for academic writing to link your topics/sections/paragraphs together. This can be done by a simple linking sentence. Eg; to explain the many forms of aggression (and why this occurs?), many theories have arisen to unravel the complexity of aggression. This will set up the reader to understand why they are reading on from the previous paragraph and neatly packs the information together. I have also suggest (if you do social psychology this semester) looking at the lecture this week on aggressive behaviours. If you do not do this subject, I am happy to forward you more information that may help your writing significantly. I will provide an overview for you now

Theories of aggression: frustration-aggression hypothesis, cognitive neo-associationist model, excitation transfer model, and evolutionary/biological theories (drive for survival). There are also other forms for managing aggression outlined in this lecture that you do not have: cathartic hypothesis, interpersonal interventions like social skills training (which is anger management as you have) and incompatible responses. If you do not do Social Psychology and would like to know more on these topics please talk to me on my user page “Rashpocket”, I think you can click on my link after I sign off.

I added another small edit to change ‘situational’ to situational-centred factors and person-centred factors. Other situational factors you do not have include crowding, temperature, alcohol  I think a way to tackle the ‘role of aggression’ could be to compare the different theories of aggression. Is the role of aggression apart of adaptation and survival? Is it a driven impulse? Is it merely the result of feeling frustrated or aroused (look at theories I gave you before)? This would be my suggestion to direct your writing for this part as there really is not one straight answer. The answer really is which perspective you take – an evolutionary one or a cognitive one. I hope I helped you by any means, feel free to review my chapter also on “Daily Hassles And Uplifts” on the emotion topic. All the best Rashpocket (discuss • contribs) 05:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Occupations
Hi Olivia! Good job on your book chapter so far. I noticed that you had a role of aggression section in there: I was thinking you might perhaps taking a different approach to that question and perhaps talk about people and occupations where aggression is a necessary emotion. Say for example, boxers, UFC fighters, soldiers, certain aspects of policing and riot control etc. Hope this helps!! TomMarvoloRiddle (discuss • contribs) 05:06, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

u3054791's Feedback
Hey Olivia, So far this seems like a great and comprehensive guide to aggression. The definition is clear and easy to understand, as well is your coverage of the relevant theories. It seems that you have selected enough so that there is enough to look into, but also not too much to take up all of your space. I was looking through part of my drafts and noticed I hadn't discussed and critiqued some of the relevant theories I had chosen,i had only described them. So maybe if you find time add a little bit of information along these lines? Also don't forget that using relevant case studies and examples are good, and I saw you are having trouble with the 'role of aggression'. Perhaps this section can contain a bit of information on application of these specific theories with aggression on everyday examples of emotions. So for example you could apply social learning theory with road rage, people who become stuck in traffic become agitated and they start to act similar to those who are stuck in a similar predicament? U3054791 (discuss • contribs) 05:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Relationships
Hey there! I was thinking perhaps for the 'role of aggression' section you could talk about aggression in relationships? like aggression in boys and girls at schools? In their peer groups, etc. Just some suggestions which I hope are helpful! Good luck with your chapter! DorisWeasley (discuss • contribs) 04:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Comments
Nice work on getting started :) You're already a few hundred words ahead of me.

I would be interested to see how aggression is associated for the schizotypal and antisocial type mental disorders.

I'm doing a lit review at the moment on covert vs. overt Narcissistic Personality Disorder and one is associated with outward aggression/hostility/manipulation, the other more associated with introversion and suppressed hostility.

Does aggression differ for different pathologies? Maybe this is something you could pursue in your research?

Also how do drugs/alcohol effect aggression. eg. why is rum considered the fighters drink? Is there a brain basis or predisposition to hostile emotions?

Bets of luck! PatrickBateman (discuss • contribs) 02:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

The role of aggression!
Hello, i've really enjoyed reading your work on this topic so far, and just thought i'd add my 2 cents as to the role of aggression - in my opinion you could absolutely talk about the evolutionary aspect of aggression right here (i.e., the reason for its evolution in humans, and the potential psychology behind that...) Some may argue that all motivations and emotions are via evolutionary basis, but that is of course just one perspective... however, relevent to this, google scholar turned up this interesting piece > :) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272735897000378 ...Should just about hit the nail on the head! Ukalypt (discuss • contribs) 07:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Ukalypt

Feedback on chapter
Hi Olivia

Your material is really interesting and gives a good overview of the topic, I agree with the other suggestion by u3054791 about how aggression fits into day to day activities and Rashpockets suggestion about how to tackle the role of aggression.

I know you are still editing but here are some comments on the feel of the chapter as the reader. I'd consider removing "Definition:" from the beginning of your chapter, its clunky when you read it and obvious anyway that its a definition. Perhaps you could also change "punch/kick" to "a physical blow such as a kick or punch". I like that you've contrasted it with assertiveness and you could link the wikipedia page on assertiveness ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertiveness is the link to save you looking) so that people can further explore assertiveness if they want to.

In Models of aggression you open with the statement "Over the centuries" - considering that psych has only been an independent science for about 130 years are you referring to research in other disciplines? I know thats picky but a marker might spot that unless you are clear. Since you already refer to over the centuries you don't really need "over time" at the end of the sentence. The next two sentences are quite hard to read, I think you are trying to say.. "in modern times there are two different theories that can arguably be linked. Psychoanalytic theory which holds that we have drives and instincts and that our subconscious controls our aggression and social learning perspective, where we learn to behave the way we do from observation, experiences and circumstances". Are the bold words meant to be headings or the first words of the sentence? Psychoanalytic theory doesn't flow into observable behaviours unless you separate it with a dash (or put the heading above it and capitalise O) while Social learning theory does (and you've referred to it as social learning perspective in the previous paragraph but as a theory here - probably should be consistent in what you call it). I'm guessing from the way you've described it that SCT, GAM and the f-a hyp and so on are all subsets of social learning theory but looking at the way they are laid out it seems like they are as important as psychoanalytic theory and SLT. You'll need to be consistent with your capitalisation of them - some start lower case and others are capitalised. In the final "drive for survival" you speak of "punishment that seem beneficial" (not sure what you mean)

Under causes you speak of an "extra Y chromosome" - do you mean that they are XYY rather than the usual XY?

I've been bold as James suggests and edited a little bit directly into the chapter - by all means reverse it if you don't like it.

Hope this helps

Vanessa VanessaQ (discuss • contribs) 10:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

What an awesome feedback page!
This is the best example of a high quality talk / feedback page for a motivation and emotion book chapter that I've seen so far. Congrats, Olivia, fantastic. My only suggestion here is to consider responding to at least some of the posts to indicate whether you agree, disagree, or something else and/or whether any of the suggestions have been incorporated and if not, why not. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Focus/tone fits theme and self-help
I did a quick skim over the chapter and noticed a lot to like - overall, I love the tone struck and the maturity and usefulness of not lapsing into considering aggression as negative or undesirable, but rather as funtional and manageable. This matches the need for the book really well. There have been some aborted attempts as a decent aggression chapter for the book, and I reckon you've probably nailed it. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Aggression and emotion (and/or motivation)
Aggression is treated largely here as a behaviour. That is fine (and I would agree). But I would like to see at least some perhaps more intentional/overt reference to aggression as emotion and/or motivation. At the moment the chapter is listed under the emotion section - but I'm a little unsure as to whether you're still happy with that and if so, perhaps just strengthen (maybe even just in the overview and conclusion) the connection between aggression and emotion. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Wiki-links
Consider adding some wiki links e.g., anger. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)