Talk:Motivation and emotion/Book/2016/Villain motivations

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Hi, love the topic and your approach. I haven't provided any feedback on referencing and grammar checks as you note, you will do that after. (There are a few references missing pages, dates, and I think some text may need to be referenced yet also.) However, happy to do a once over when you are finished if you like. I really liked how you put the quizzes after key information. My only suggestions would be: Hope the comments are helpful. Best of luck finishing it off. U109993 (discuss • contribs) 21:04, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To possibly include a table that compares Villains and Criminals, maybe as a theoretical summary close to the end.
 * Another good table - or maybe as a box - would be the Aggressive and Sexual behaviour parts of the brain.
 * Under Biological Perspective, maybe bullet point the reasons in your leading paragraph, it will help break up the text and may support reduced word use.
 * You may also want to link some of your terms to external information (e.g. reductionism/Freud - possibly even your theories - can link to Wiki).
 * Case Studies - maybe box then so they stand out. I don't think you need a third, but if you do you may want to reduce the text in the first and second one.

Hi, really cool topic, great idea. Attached is a link to an article on Osama Bin Laden and the archetype of the evil super villain, hope its helpful. Regards, u3094046 --B Laurie (discuss • contribs) 08:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC) http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/14616700500131851

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Hi, I thought your topic looks really interesting. Perhaps, you can use Disney villains as an example of the 'typical villain' and compare some of their motivations to real criminals. Usually, Disney villains are just plain evil and are motivated to destroy either beauty or love (e.g. snow white queen and Maleficent). However, some of them are motivated by power (Jaffar in Alladin, Prince Hans in Frozen, Ursula in the Little Mermaid). Cruella DeVille is motivated by an obsession with furs. Perhaps you can look for similar themes between these, and real criminals? Hope this is a useful idea - good luck --U3083662 (discuss • contribs) 23:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, i thought i'd add a few to the above suggestion Ie - the joker in batman wants anarchy Ultron - wants to destroy everything You could compare all the mentioned village with some of these descriptions from criminology. Rational choice theory: People generally act in their self-interest and make decisions to commit crime after weighing the potential risks (including getting caught and punished) against the rewards. Social disorganization theory: A person’s physical and social environments are primarily responsible for the behavioral choices that person makes. In particular, a neighborhood that has fraying social structures is more likely to have high crime rates. Such a neighborhood may have poor schools, vacant and vandalized buildings, high unemployment, and a mix of commercial and residential property. Strain theory: Most people have similar aspirations, but they don’t all have the same opportunities or abilities. When people fail to achieve society’s expectations through approved means such as hard work and delayed gratification, they may attempt to achieve success through crime. Social learning theory: People develop motivation to commit crime and the skills to commit crime through the people they associate with. Social control theory: Most people would commit crime if not for the controls that society places on individuals through institutions such as schools, workplaces, churches, and families. Labeling theory: People in power decide what acts are crimes, and the act of labeling someone a criminal is what makes him a criminal. Once a person is labeled a criminal, society takes away his opportunities, which may ultimately lead to more criminal behavior. Taken from http://www.dummies.com/education/psychology/important-theories-in-criminology-why-people-commit-crime/ T All the best! --Arlo Porter (discuss • contribs) 02:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hey!

Your chapter is good! Fun to read through. I like how interactive it is!

You were probably going to eventually do this yourself, but I changed the formatting for your reference list so it's a hanging indent. Feel free to undo it if you like! Chot24 (discuss • contribs) 22:02, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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Your topic is really interesting and I love the pictures. Under the heading "What constitutes a villain", it might be worth pointing out that since a 'villain' is often an antagonist, it depends a lot on the nature of the main character as to what features the villain will present (I don't have a reference, sorry, just spewing opinion from my head) - in the MMO game Star Wars: The Old Republic, you can choose to play out a story line of the 'villians', so everyone who appears to stop you is the 'good side' so could they be considered 'villians' in that case? Or in Phantom of the Opera, the Phantom does some pretty horrific things, so is he a villian, even if he is one of the main characters and you are supposed to care for him? In V for Vendetta, "V" is the love interest of the main character and has some dishonorable qualities, and yet he is considered a protagonist. Basically.... does it depend on the perspective? Does the research you found on villains explore this at all? Is antagonist considered synonymous with villain? I'm not sure about the "Is this a criminal or a villain?" question. Couldn't it be a criminal as well, if the person was rather sadistic? One could argue that it depends on the criminal. Try to make the distinction clearer, with examples, if possible.

As for examples... I thought of some you could include. "symptom of psychotic disorders (Harley Quinn, etc), narcissistic tendencies (Gilderoy Lockhart (LOL?), Kill Graves (from Jessica Jones), Geoffrey from Game of Thrones), or just outright psychopathic (Admiral Thrawn (star wars books - yes, I am a nerd), Ramsey Bolton from Game of Thrones).

" their crimes are often unrelated to their mental illness, but more related to their unfortunate circumstance ("Mental Illness Not Usually Linked," 2014)." <- could you expand on this and give some examples? I find this fact really interesting as I consider most criminals to be mentally ill in some capacity (not that this is bad). Does the paper include any? Are there some in the media? The murder of the singer Christina Grimmie a few months ago for example seemed to be driven by an erotomanic and/or jealousy delusion. This might be an example you could use, as it is recent.

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/06/christina_grimmie_murder_stalker_police_investigat.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/christina-grimmies-killer-thought-were-8259471 Apparently there was no "history" of mental illness.... but perhaps the killer never got a professional diagnosis?

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/mental-illness-and-the-criminal-justice-system/6535790 This article explains that many criminals that would technically be diagnosed with a mental illness, can't use that as a defense in court because they have not sought help and gotten a diagnosis. It is a grey area in the justice system.

Maybe add a picture for Voldemort and the Joker.

I hope this helps!

U3108945, 23/10/2016

Hi! your topic is really great! very interesting content and a really unique topic. My only suggestion was to add some wiki links to the main concepts. I have done most for you, you might want to check if there is any other key topics I missed though. Well done and good luck finishing it off--U3117592 (discuss • contribs) 11:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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