Talk:Questions of democracy and social responsibility within Wikipedia

Delete ?
Hi User:Dave Braunschweig. Why do you want to delete this page so quickly ? I did have the time to start my project... Is it usual in en.wikiversity to propose deletion page without talking with his creator ? Best, Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 19:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It's a proposed deletion rather than a speedy deletion. We often have users stop by, create a page of almost no content, and then never return.  The proposed deletion gives users 90 days to return and make improvements.  That's a very slow deletion process, and provides a reminder 90 days from now for those of us who do clean-up work.  So, is it usual?  For a page with nothing more than a sentence on it, absolutely.  As the notice indicates, you are free to remove the proposed deletion, and/or make improvements, with or without discussion.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 19:14, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this interesting reply User:Dave Braunschweig. We don't use this template in fr.wikiversity, but it make sense indeed. Have a pleasant day, Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 19:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

page title
I'm a little busy now, but will take a look at this more closely later and offer any suggestions as you requested. I would propose some changes to the language in the title to something like: Wikipedia and democracy, why and how to improve equality among active editors in project and movement governance?
 * Or maybe "Wikipedia and democracy, why and how to improve equality among active editors in projects and movement governance?"? ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 20:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Mu301 and Atcovi, English is your native language, and I have some trouble in my native language too due to orthographical trouble. So... Is "Wikipedia and democracy, why and how to improve equality among active editors in projects and movement governance?" definitely the best formulation ? Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 01:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. There are a couple of ways to do it. I might be tempted to rename the page to "Wikipedia and democracy" and then have a header with the longer subtitle. This just makes the url https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_democracy,_why_and_how_improve_equality_among_actives_editors_in_project_and_movement_governance%3F shorter and easier to share. I'm not sure if the exact wording is the best. I haven't had a chance to read the full essay. I'll take a look over the weekend. --mikeu talk 02:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, I'm happy to help :) My best approach would be "Wikipedia and democracy, why and how to improve equality among active editors in the projects and movement governance?". Though.. what do you mean by "movement governance"? Don't really understand what you mean by that. Do you mean like a "governance" of Wikipedia? Thanks! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 02:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Mu301 and Atcovi. "movement governance" means governance of wikipedia but also other projects of Wikimedia foundation and the foundation it self. Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 09:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

intro
Here is a suggested re-wording of the first two sentences.

"For the past 15 years, the Wikimedia movement has been a success in terms of organizational governance despite many actors with so many points of view coming from completely different cultural backgrounds. Today, the movement has to concern itself with social responsibility and a possible drift toward the iron law of oligarchy."

Note: an 'iron law' is defined as "both indisputable and unavoidable" so the use here recommends that Wikipedia should try to avoid an "inevitable" outcome. Using this phrase sounds like a bit of a contradiction. Is suggests that the recommendations in the article are futile. I might add a sentence stating that you reject the notion that bureaucracy always corrupts and you have a plan to avoid this outcome. --mikeu talk 23:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you mikeu and welcome to edit your sugestion. If that not match with my thought, I can always change it or delete it. All the best, Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 06:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Improving our Social Operating Systems
I am intrigued and encouraged by the success of Wikipedia and wonder what we can learn and apply to Improving our Social Operating Systems. I started a research project on this topic and invite linkages and participation from the community. Thanks! --Lbeaumont (discuss • contribs) 13:11, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Firmly anchored in reality
It may be helpful to note in the section on Wikipedia's governance that Wikipedia entries are firmly grounded in reality and reality is the final arbiter of disputes. This is a result of policies on reliable references, NPOV, and others. Reality always has a seat at the table and any consensus discussion must consider the firm view point provided by reality. Thanks! --Lbeaumont (discuss • contribs) 13:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)