Talk:Solar System, technical

Renaming astronomical object resources
Sidelight12 suggested placing individual resources such as Io in the course Solar System, technical. The resource Solar System has not been developed into anything more than one page of about 2,000 kb. The second course Introduction to the Planets is now part of Solar System, technical. At the introduction of the technical resource it reads that the only background necessary is interest. This would not be sufficient for a technical course on the solar system. I would like to transfer the resource content back to the original resource, e.g., Solar System, technical/Io back into Io with a redirect from the former. Introduction to the planets can use the individual resources such as Io or other ones designed for a non-technical readership. If there are no objections, I will continue the process. Jupiter has already been reversed. Comments, opinions, criticism welcome. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 03:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * sure. I can move the interactive one, because it is underdeveloped. I'd like to use "Solar system" as a disambiguation page for if different resources on solar system get started up. You want to move it back without a parent directory. What about a rename instead? I think if we had a few resources on Io, The page "Io" could be a disambiguation page to the different resources on Io. Courses with sub-directories do keep resources together for clean navigability and better finding of material within the course. Pages that aren't part of courses may be harder to organize with parent and subpages. I like what I suggested, but since I don't heavily develop it, you can move it. - Sidelight12 Talk 06:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The interactive page got moved, because it was underdeveloped and not good for a main resource. "Solar System" can be a disambiguation page that links to all resources about the Solar System, or this resource can be moved to "Solar System". Do you have a suggestion for moving it or a rename? - Sidelight12 Talk 06:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Solar system
Here's what I was thinking regarding "Solar system":
 * 1) the page Solar system which would follow Wikiversity naming conventions could be used both as a general lecture/article on the Sun system and as a sort of disambiguation page with See also sending readers to other resources,
 * 2) a course, or set of courses, on the solar system can use Solar system/interactive, Solar system/technical, for example,
 * 3) I'm not sure which is better, a disambiguation page like on Wikipedia, or a lecture/article page, in the template Astronomy resources, which then contains subpages per point number one,
 * 4) starting the resource Solar system to serve our purposes might be better than a move or a rename.--Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 14:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Introduction to the planets
The course Introduction to the Planets is probably better named Introduction to the planets. This could be Solar system/Technical/Introduction to the planets, Solar system/Interactive/Introduction to the planets or as separate courses Introduction to the planets/Interactive, Introduction to the planets/Technical, or maybe just Introduction to the planets. I didn't realize we had so many underdeveloped interactive resources. The naming convention with these is confusing. For example, Solar System, interactive/Earth/Solar System overview/Uranus probably should be renamed to Solar system/Interactive/Uranus.--Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 14:20, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Io
Individual lecture/article resources such as Io could fill lecture slots in a number of courses by appropriate redirects.
 * 1) For example, Solar system/Technical/Io could redirect to Io. If Io is not too technical or perhaps as a challenge for the interactive course another content redirect could be used, Solar system/Interactive/Io to Io.
 * 2) Introduction to the planets could use the same as Introduction to the planets/Io redirecting to Io.
 * 3) The same could be used for including Io as a lecture/article, a laboratory, or a problem set in Principles of radiation astronomy, for example, Principles of radiation astronomy/Io, as part of the template Principles of radiation astronomy, or Io/Laboratory.
 * 4) The course Introduction to astronomy includes several course creator choices from Principles of radiation astronomy as lectures including Galaxies, Optical astronomy, and Source astronomy.
 * 5) The original research project First orange source in Cancer is used as a lesson in the course Principles of radiation astronomy and as an assignment in Introduction to astronomy.
 * 6) Resources can be included on the course page as is done in Introduction to astronomy, in the Astronomy resources template, or on a syllabus page as in Principles of radiation astronomy to help direct readers, students, teachers, or editors.
 * 7) Renaming versus removing may depend on which is easier subject to what we decide.--Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 14:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I cannot find the Rename tool, maybe it's only for Custodians and above, for the pages so I transferred the content from Solar System, technical/Io to Io and left a redirect as suggested above.

Rename, move, Solar System organization
Rename and move are the same, at least in the linux world. You want Solar System to be the main resource? What if someone starts a different solar system resource, do they incorporate it into "Solar System" or start a new one. It'd be a lot cleaner for "Solar System" to be a disambiguation page leading to everything solar system, regardless of which resource it's a part of. But we can make "Solar System" the main resource, with a hatnote on top. I noticed a "solar system" resource was started, do the histories merge or is it separate? - Sidelight12 Talk 03:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I started Solar system as a lecture/article on "solar systems" in general such as those around other stars. I will add it to Solar System with a similar note. When I was on wiktionary, I liked their picture dictionary form of the Solar System and tried to bring the appropriate templates to wikiversity but something's not the same. Any help is appreciated. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The name Solar System, technical is a very odd name for a Wikiversity resource. If there are aspects of a Solar System resource, page names would tend to be of the form of Solar System/Aspect. I have no idea what "technical" means here. "Solar System" as a proper name applies to the system about Sol, or our Sun, as Marshall knows. We would tend to use a different term for other planetary systems. Marshall would know best, I would think of "stellar systems," perhaps. If "Solar systems" is used, it would, from not being capitalized and being plural, refer to the general case of stellar systems.


 * It is best, in my view, Marshall, to develop single-page resources with subpages, than more scattered less-developed mainspace resources. Where a subtopic, however, rises to a treatment such that this could become a stand-alone course in a university, then the subpage could be moved to its own top-level resource and linked, placed separately on Topic pages, etc.


 * I sympathize with the problem about templates, they can be very complicated creatures with recursive references, in a language invented by [s]troglodytes[/s] uh, other than normal users. My general suggestion, without being rigid, is to keep Wikiversity pages relatively simple so they don't become an obstacle to learning-by-doing. We have a lot of work to do to make this a reality. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 14:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Test addition and rearrangement
I'd like to test a rearrangement of this course page. Let me know what you think. It's okay with me to put it back in its earlier form if anyone doesn't like this. Thanks for considering. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 01:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)