Talk:Video games for education/Improving at video games

What to do with this article?
I changed the original speedy delete on this "essay" into a prod. Is this OK with everybody?

Arguments in favor of deleting:
 * 1) The grammar is so bad that I can't tell whether or not it has any meaning whatsoever.
 * 2) The contributor is an IP address who has been dormant for many years.

Arguments in favor of keeping:
 * 1) Wikiversity is a place for student to learn to write. Even though it is unlikely a "teacher" will ever take up this essay as a teaching project, the student could in principle use this as a platform for documenting their progress and perhaps share insights with others on similar essays (I know I'm dreaming, but who knows...?)
 * 2) The IP address seems to be in Ukraine, so the person may be trying to learn English.

Instead of speedy delete, I propose a prod, with the promise that I will delete when it is due. Of course the prod is not necessary in this particular case. But this would be a good policy in general, especially in those cases where the student might return to the essay at a future date (I concede that this student will almost certainly never open this essay.)

Keep in mind that Wikiversity is a place for students to learn by doing. I am not saying we should ignore standards. Low quality writing needs to be deleted in at least three cases:
 * When a third party attempting to learn something might see the prose and think it's worth reading.
 * When the amount of bad prose is excessive. One prolific writer of garbage can produce more words than 1000 sincere student writers (I won't mention names, but we know who they are.)
 * When the prose is disruptive. This includes not only copyright violations, but anything that would cause editors from sister wikis to complain.

Yours truly, Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 19:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * This page is spam. It's the output of an article spinning tool, and has no educational value whatsoever.
 * Here are some examples of online spam based on the same article template:
 * https://slashdot.org/submission/11500728/video-gaming-charm-and-instruct-us-and-can-provid
 * https://climatecake.ios.edu.pl/forums/users/drillblow9/
 * https://www.fundable.com/just-matzen
 * https://teenmag.nl/forums/users/watchswiss46/
 * Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 19:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Omphalographer: Yes it does look like that online spam you referred to. Except for the fact that there was no attempt to create external links... then there is the little edit war between two nonsensical editors. ... If it's OK with you, I will keep the prod in place till Dave has a chance to respond (if he is not too busy).  If he doesn't answer in a few days I will delete.  Wikiversity will never resolve the question of how bad something has to be in order to be deleted.  I hesitate to open this question to the WV community because some of us are a bit looney (present company excluded ;)--<Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 20:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't hold my breath. Dave hasn't been active on Wikiversity since August. :( Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 20:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that. I guess that makes me in charge. I would move it into the author's userspace if it weren't an IP address. So instead I will delete as soon as it comes due.


 * Thanks for doing all this. If you really really really want me to delete, I will. For me, the delay allows me to make quicker decisions and spend less time on this. Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 07:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The text is so incoherent/rambling and bad that I would just speedy delete it. We can ask for whom the text is intended? The readers cannot obtain value from it. As for the writer, we can--highly charitably--grant that the author learned something during writing the text; if so, Wikiversity served the writer well, and the article's getting deleted does not change that.
 * Waiting with deletion until 17 Mar 2024 is acceptable but it is very unlikely to make any difference: the article was like this from 2014 and the author User:46.175.187.2 ceased editing. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 07:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Back in 2008 Wikiversity ran into this same situation: An IP writer wrote a poem, and it got moved to a subpage of Fiction writing, with a redirect (see Requests_for_Deletion/Archives/3). We need to follow precedent here on WV. But there is one difference between now and back then: Wicklow Games is much better than whatever this "Video games" thing is.  For that reason, and because both of you want deletion, I will delete.  But keep in mind that these subpages are for students to write.  On Wikiversity, students "learn by doing", and students will make mistakes.  We can't spend too much time refereeing the quality of student efforts to write poems, stories, or even advice on video games. Previous policy with student efforts has been to move, not delete.  That is what we will do unless the community changes that policyGuy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 08:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Is that policy codified somewhere or is it rather common practice/common law? --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 08:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The Requests_for_Deletion/Archives/3 discussion shows a weak, let's say, pre-consensus 2:1 in favor of deletion; I am not clear why it was kept and moved. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)