Talk:WikiJournal of Medicine/Alternative androgen pathways

The origin of the article
This WikiJournal article is based on the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_backdoor_pathway which in turn is based on a section https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Late_onset_congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia&oldid=983828320#Androgen_backdoor_pathway

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Late_onset_congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia#Androgen_Backdoor_Pathway for more details. Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 16:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

The authors
No other people except the authors (Masiutin, Yadav) of the present article have contributed to the source page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_backdoor_pathway until this article it was forked from that page on October 22, 2020. When I added the "w1" attribute to the "Article info" box, the "et al." appears. The "et_al = false" attribute does not seem to work. There should be no "et al.". I have not found any way to remove the "et al." rather than removing the "w1" attribute before the article had a Wikidata item. However, now it seems that the "et al." suffix is controlled by some Wikidata attribute. Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 16:39, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * When I remove reference to the Wikipedia page by removing the w1 attribute, and when I remove the reference to the Wikipedia page at the Wikidata attribute, only then the "et al." suffix disappears. Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 16:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * please let me know whether the above way of removing the reference to the Wikipedia article is the only way to remove the "et al."? Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Aha, yes, that's controlled by its record on wikidata. I'll look into what's the most accurate way of representing that. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 07:42, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Plagiarism check

 * ✅ Report from WMF copyvios tool flagged some false positives (not regarded as plagiarism) due to common stock phrases e.g. "...congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 21-hydroxylase deficiency". T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 07:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Editorial note
The authors are still working on revisions Rwatson1955 (discuss • contribs) 10:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * We have completed work on revision on September 6th. 12:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC) Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 12:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

September 6th (2022) reply to the Reviewers
Dear Reviewers,

We are grateful for the time and diligence it has taken to provide feedback. The manuscript has been revised considerably, though we have carefully considered all the crucial issues that you have raised. It isn’t easy to enumerate the way we have addressed all the points raised, but we thought it would be easier to say:


 * 1) We reorganized the paper according to the suggestions.
 * 2) We have made the prose simpler and more concise, limited certain sorts of speculation and sequestered the speculation that remains in the last section that we called "Future Directions".
 * 3) We removed some of the "overciting".
 * 4) We addressed the uniformity of many conventions (e.g., we are using author names in the History section, but nowhere else).
 * 5) We made a drawing of 11-oxygenated androgen pathways, which we hope is correct and easy to understand, we didn't see that layout elsewhere, grouped by classes of steroids.

The only point of serious contention between the reviews was the use of "11-oxygenated". We have presented reasoning as to why "11-oxygenated" is probably better justified (it grates on our ears a little too due to the association with things like "oxygenated" blood). We have even created a wholly new section “Nomenclature and Background” to address the issues like that. We devoted the penultimate paragraph to the 11-oxygenated issue. Sorry for the oversimplification, but perhaps a simple way to cut the Gordian knot would be to look at the number of results returned by Google Scholar and "11-oxygenated" wins handily there:


 * 1) https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%2211-oxygenated%22&btnG=&oq=%2211
 * 2) https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%2211-oxy%22&btnG=

There is one point raised in the reviews regarding this claim "it is much more likely that the majority of 11KT is produced as follows: 11OHA4 is converted to 11KA4 by HSD11B2. 11KA4 is then converted to 11KT by AKR1C3". We have that information in there now but had trouble finding a cite to support that precise inference from the levels of 11OHA4 vs 11OHT.

We hope that you can again look at the review and suggest, what we hope should be, a smaller set of corrections and improvements. Please feel free to add in the changes yourselves if as it is probably faster than writing them in a separate doc and attaching them.

Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 08:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

March 22nd (2023) reply to the Reviewers
We have replied to the reviewers in the appropriate reply boxes (see above). Our last reply is dated March 22nd, 2023. --23:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The authors would like to thank the reviewers for their immense efforts in guidance and corrections.

Thanks
The authors would like to thank the reviewers for their immense efforts in guidance and corrections; the authors would also like to thank the editors for their guidance. --Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 07:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Proofreading Changes
The authors (we) have done some proofreading changes lately. Please be informed. --Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs)

Minor Issues
A few issues that I am seeing:

The fig template isn't showing "Figure #" in the captions. I've noticed weird things about it (e.g., the figure numbering on my mobile was messed up, but desktop was ok). Do the editors see an obvious problem? Else I am happy to poke at it until it works.

I see the pdf here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/2/24/Alternative_androgen_pathways.pdf

The aspect ratios for the figures are incorrect and very distracting. They also seem very very poorly sampled, they seem to be being rasterized then put in? That seems to eliminate the benefits of the svg format the journal asks for.

I was poking at proof reading for the last bit, if the pdf generation process is not onerous, could we use the latest version once the fig template is fixed? Maneesh (discuss • contribs) 16:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

PDF Issues
I reviewed the PDF today, but the observations mentioned in the still hold. In addition to what is mentioned in (pixelated images, wrong aspect ratio (stretched horizontally), excessively compressed images with low resolution so that the texts on the image #2 and #3 aren't readable, etc), I noticed the following:


 * 1) Strange entry in the text "This is the heading 2 style"
 * 2) The authors' proofreading is not implemented, e.g., there is a word "precusor" sic (please consider incorporating authors' proofreading fixes or consider making editorial proofreading is possible, thank you in advance)

-- Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 08:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Corrections have been made 105.112.150.56 (discuss) 14:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I've written to the editors and made a process to generate the pdf from latex. This produces appropriate quality, I've suggested this process be refined and deployed across all wikijournals for preprints here: Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group Maneesh (discuss • contribs) 04:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Misspelled title
The title should be "Alternative androgen pathways", not "Alternative androgens pathways", it was a typo on the edit https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Alternative_androgens_pathways&oldid=2484564 by Agan56 --Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 01:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you please https://doi.org/10.15347/WJM/2023.003 make point to https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Alternative_androgen_pathways rather than https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Alternative_androgens_pathways

Can you please update the DOI destination URL so that https://doi.org/10.15347/WJM/2023.003 redirect to https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Alternative_androgen_pathways rather than https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Alternative_androgens_pathways ? Thank you in advance. I've asked User:Agan56 but got no reply --Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 22:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't know how to update doi links. I think we should wait for Agan56. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Good day, sorry for the delay in my reply, i checked the doi and i realized that it is linked already to  https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Alternative_androgen_pathways and even the second link  WikiJournal of Medicine/Alternative androgens pathways is already corrected. Let me know what i need to do and i will take care of it immediately.   Agan56 (discuss • contribs) 18:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can handle some tasks inside Wikiversity, but generally I cannot handle things outside the project. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @MathXplore I have revised the DOI so that it is now pointing to the correct page.  OhanaUnited  Talk page  22:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I confirm that now the DOI link is OK! --Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) Maxim Masiutin (discuss • contribs) 02:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)