Talk:WikiJournal of Science/Black-and-red broadbill

Plagiarism check
✅ Report from WMF copyvios tool: 0% plagiarism detected. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 01:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

First peer review
T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 23:41, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Second peer review
 OhanaUnited  Talk page  21:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , any other comments? AryKun (discuss • contribs) 14:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Faendalimas. The author has completed his revision. Can you take a look at his submission and advise if the revised version addressed your concerns?  OhanaUnited  Talk page  06:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Any update on this? AryKun (discuss • contribs) 08:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have reminded him via email.  OhanaUnited  Talk page  05:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am good with the responses to my review, I was following some of the other recommendations from the community review see how that panned out, its been busy on Ombuds over holiday season so sorry for that also. From my perspective I recommend publication at this point. Cheers Scott Thomson  ( Faendalimas ) talk 05:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Reminder about this. AryKun (discuss • contribs) 19:27, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * My apologies as I was travelling to remote location for work. Thank you for the reminder. I will present this article to the editorial board for publication consideration.  OhanaUnited  Talk page  05:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @OhanaUnited, any further update on this? AryKun (discuss • contribs) 11:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for forgetting about this. I have sent your manuscript to the board today.  OhanaUnited  Talk page  03:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @OhanaUnited, any further updates? AryKun (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the follow up. I am pleased to inform you that the article has been accepted for publication.  OhanaUnited  Talk page  15:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Community comment
Wikispecies contributor mentioned that "names should follow IOC format & orthography (i.e., Black-and-red Broadbill, not black-and-red broadbill)"  OhanaUnited  Talk page  21:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Also that, following conventions relevant to the region, spellings should follow Commonwealth English usage (e.g., colour), not American - MPF (discuss • contribs) 23:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with on using IOC in the article, my point on taxonomy was only to comment on alternatives in other checklists not to change the name here. Cheers  Scott Thomson  ( Faendalimas ) talk 02:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The end sentence of the first paragraph in the Taxonomy and systematics section is very poorly written:
 * "Black-and-red broadbill" has been designated the official common name by the International Ornithologists' Union.[6] Other names include black-red broadbill, black and white broadbill,[7] and (in the Kelantan province) burong tĕrajan.[8]

I'd suggest something more like (names from wikidata and relevant wikipedias; see sources there):
 * The International Ornithologists' Union has designated Black-and-red Broadbill as the standard English name;[6] other English names include black-red broadbill and black and white broadbill.[7] Names in the species' native area include นกพญาปากกว้างท้องแดง in Thai, Sempur-hujan sungai in Indonesian, Mỏ rộng đen đỏ in Vietnamese, and Takau rakit and burong tĕrajan in Malay (the latter in Kelantan province[8]).

The first sentence of the following paragraph: can also be cited to IOC, rather than the lower-quality (often outdated, and potentially US-POV biased) ITIS reference currently cited.
 * The black-and-red broadbill is the only species in the genus Cymbirhynchus, in the typical broadbill family Eurylamidae, a family of ten tropical species native to Southeast Asia.

Also, the archive reference citation for IOC should be updated to the most recent version (v13.2), rather than to v4.2. MPF (discuss • contribs) 11:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'll respond to all the points raised above here:
 * Capitalisation and English variety are stylistic issues and should be left to the author's preference.
 * Tweaked the common names para; I couldn't find a reference for the Vietnamese names and that WP doesn't seem to cite their name either, so haven't mentioned that.
 * Replaced ITIS with IOC and updated archive url (as a side note, how can a taxonomy be US-biased?).
 * AryKun (discuss • contribs) 16:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! On English, presumably it should follow WP:ENGVAR, which specifies usage should be relevant to the area concerned. ITIS is not just a taxonomy; it is also a database with other associated data like vernacular names, and that can be (and often is) biased against peoples from outside of the USA (treating non-US peoples as ignorami who are not competent to name their own native flora and fauna). - MPF (discuss • contribs) 18:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * English is actually in American since I wrote in that originally; I don't really care about the variety used so anyone who wants can change it, but I don't really feel like changing it is worth the effort for me. AryKun (discuss • contribs) 14:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Our stylistic guide (if there is even one) is silent on the variety of English being used. Wikiversity has a proposal that whatever dialect of English can be used as long as it is consistent (emphasis on the proposal part, it hasn't been adopted). Since the WikiJournal page started as an import of en.wp page, ENGVAR issue should be taken to the en.wp's article talk page because it's not a policy here. I have no issue with either British vs. American English being used in WikiJournal, though I would prefer to seeing Southeast Asian English because that is the language used where this bird species is most prominently found, and Southeast Asian English is closer to British English than American English.  OhanaUnited  Talk page  20:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * changed all spellings to Brit Eng; I'm not sure, but I don't think the spellings differ between British and Southeast Asian English. AryKun (discuss • contribs) 12:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @AryKun Thank you. Do you have any further changes that need to be made? Or is your paper ready in its current state?  OhanaUnited  Talk page  05:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's ready, unless the peer-reviewers have any further comments. AryKun (discuss • contribs) 18:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Forgot to add, the Vietnamese name is from Vietnamese wikipedia Mỏ rộng đen đỏ - MPF (discuss • contribs) 20:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Added the Vietnamese name since Avibase has it. AryKun (discuss • contribs) 14:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Images
The article here is almost entirely illustrated with photos of the Malay Peninsula subspecies C. m. malaccensis. I've located some more free cc-licensed images on iNaturalist of the nominate subspecies and added them to Commons; File:Cymbirhynchus macrorhynchos macrorhynchos, Jalan Fabia, Sandakan, Sabah 1.jpg -3, and File:Cymbirhynchus macrorhynchos macrorhynchos, Kinabatangan River, Sabah 1.jpg - 2. Some of these could be added here now. Ideally, I'd suggest that the lead image should be of the nominate subspecies. - MPF (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Those two images are significantly worse in terms of quality than the image currently used, and the bird in the second photo seems to have some mild leucism on the face. Also, the article isn't entirely illustrated with photos of malaccensis; there's currently 1 of malaccensis, 2 of macrorhynchos, and 1 of siamensis (added now, replacing an older photo of malaccensis). AryKun (discuss • contribs) 16:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)