Topic talk:Philosophy of History

Possibly worth a mention
Roy Rosenzweig, "Can History be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past", The Journal of American History (Center for History and New Media), Volume 93, Issue 1, June 2006, p.117–146. Very interesting article on what he sees as the strengths and weaknesses of Wikipedia, especially with respect to the writing of history. -- Jmabel 23:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed
Perhaps an entire section dedicated to history's "scholarly articles" would be in order. I know that there are an abundance of great articles out there dedicated to a variety of subtopics ranging from online sources such as wikipedia, to oral history, local historical societies, etc. NCHE1776

Topic Page
This topic page doesn't seem to be organised that well in the form of a school, but rather like a compendium of information copied from the above article. Needs structuring. Jpe|ob 00:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I just added an introduction of sorts from Wikipedia. Jpe|ob 00:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Written
I don't necessarily agree that it is "primarily from written sources." Primary sources exist across a wide spectrum these days, with things such as oral history taking on a renewed importance as well as artifacts, songs, geography, paintings, sculptures depicting a society's morals, ideals and religions, etc. none of which are necessarily written, yet all of which encompass the history of a people, place and time. Thoughts? NCHE1776 15:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts?
I don't want to be the man who arbitrarily edits sections without discussion, but any thoughts on the previous point regarding history not being primarily from written sources? NCHE1776 21:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Historiography
This school definitely needs a section on Historiography - fast. Jpe|ob 00:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Historiography, check!
Agreed regarding historiography. I feel like that may be an entirely new subsection altogether though as it has grown considerably over the past few years. The combination of article pieces that I had posted initially are meant merely to serve as a framework of sorts for history education as used by the National Council for History Education in their professional development programs and work with the dept. of ed. NCHE1776 15:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

School:History
Previously the Wikiversity community established a list of major schools that included a School of History. Wikiversity now has School:History. --JWSchmidt 01:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Move to school?
Should the framework information previously posted be moved to a section of the School:History? NCHE1776 15:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Topic-level?
Department/Division [Topic] level pages are not supposed to contain learning materials themselves, but rather link to lessons/units/projects/etc., which contain such materials.

I think the information in this Department would benefit from being broken up into sub-pages (lessons) that were referenced from the Department page. It would make it much less overwhelming to visit, for one. I also think it would help to have a list of stated goals for the Department of Philosophy of History. The Jade Knight 00:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikiversity Departments can function as projects for the development of learning materials. As soon as coherent "lessons" or learning activities or other types of learning resources are identified, they should be placed on their own pages in the main namespace. --JWSchmidt 02:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. In the meantime, this Department is pretty confusing/overwhelming.  The Jade Knight 02:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Introductory "course"
I was thinking the History School could use an introductory Learning Project/Course/whatever to help explain Historiographical issues and concerns to people who do not have university-level training in History. This would be the "gate" Learning Project that would give students an applied knowledge of historiographical issues and the ability to critically analyse sources for methodological issues. It would be good if papers (showing achievement) could be produced as a result of the project, but so long as the students have a grasp of the issues, anything could work. Could some of you working in this department help in the creation of such a project? The Jade Knight 06:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Philosophy of History
I couldn't agree more that I would like to see the Philosophy of History expanded to contain some course material and other sections. Most notably historiography which has for too long gone neglected as a core element of strong history education. I'd like very much to coordinate further on this with you. As it stands, the material that is there is posted only as a framework for a strong history curriculum and we will have to dance a careful step so as to not overlap the School of Education (though using interdisciplinary studies by looking at other subjects such as literacy, mathematics, science, etc. through a historical lense is a whole other can of worms that perhaps can be explored). NCHE1776 21:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly looking to get involved in this Department, as far as the material posted on this page is concerned. I would certainly be willing to collaborate on developing a basic methodology course with you, however.  Where do you think we should begin, and what should we call it?  Introduction to Historiography?  Historian's Craft?  The Jade Knight 01:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

re: dead school
The school itself; the philosophy of history - is one that is critical to the proper and thorough study of history. University historians reference historiography almost without fail through the study of history and history education - perhaps that would be the better term for this school when it comes down to it, as referenced by Jade Knight above. The problem lay in the fact that there has been little to zero collaboration beyond Jade Knight and my own interest.

To be honest; this vexes me as I can't help but see the unrelenting references to historiography in the history discipline - and yet the section is largely neglected.

I am more than open to suggestions on how to include this important part of history education, but can not do it without assistance due to time restrictions.
 * I agree that a study of Historiography is needed. Unfortunately, I've little training on the Philosophy of History… The Jade Knight 11:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)