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Charley

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deletionism test 3:34pmCharley

Magazine article title: Will Wikiversity extend the Wikipedia policy and process or develop its own?

who Evan?

nobody's been in touch with Evan. 3:35pmCormac

no, Mike (Mu301) 3:35pmCharley

oh yeah.

We talked about as it happened

I told him my intentions 3:35pmCormac

so what exactly are you experimenting with? :-):-) 3:35pmCharley

He just followed proceedure

Computational Sociology and Meme Phaging

B)B) 3:36pmCormac

well, i mean specifically 3:38pmCharley

The idea is to try to predict outcomes from a pervasive Internet phenomena from a variety f stances.

I'm working with the Espians now, also.

And working on getting a job at Wired 3:41pmCormac

ok, but i find it hard to see what you're trying to figure out - policy is not fixed in wikis - but in process - people do not simply apply policy (they should be critical) - and you're explaining what you're doing to Mike... I'm confused 3:41pmCharley

..also developing a meme catching application: http://tent.espians.com/.search?q=%3CEvan_Ratliff%3E&submit=+Search+

Wikiversity is the academic stance... studying Wikipedia at close range.

Wired is looking at the whole Internet.

Esp is developing some tools for next year.

Collaboration has a lot of ups and downs

We're studying what the barriers and impetuses for collaboration are.

http://openkollab.com

It's very complex, i suppose 3:47pmCharley

Anyway. I've taken community-building to other places both online and face-to-face. 3:47pmCormac

hmm, i'm not shy of complexity - but I'd need to know what your motivations are - or maybe I'm just confused 3:49pmCharley

My intentions are to discover what makes people rally around a cause, stand up for their friends, work together for positive change, etc...

When I saw the crap at v: I became a militant community builder 3:49pmCormac

ok, so how do those motivations relate to this experiment? 3:50pmCharley

I don't know yet. 3:50pmCormac

ok, I suppose that's where I'm confused then :-):-) 3:50pmCharley

That's why it's an experiment. 3:50pmCormac

hmm, but surely you have some idea 3:51pmCharley

I have some crude guesses.. 3:51pmCormac

i don't think we go into anything completely blind 3:51pmCharley

I'm not working alone though.

do you know tav?

He's the chief espian

3:52pmCormac
 * 1) esp logs everything

no, I don't know him. What I mean is: what are you hoping this meme/experiment will tell you about your interests in community-building etc? 3:52pmCharley

so this process will be exposed

I'm looking to build community that will survive cataclysms,,,

Relationships that are impervious to treason

When the "sh*t hits the fan" who will your friends be?

It's part game but a bigger part vital reality.

...and serious business. 3:56pmCormac

definitely interesting to do between online and f2f environments..

ok, but I suppose what got me confused from the beginning was you saying this was an experiment about "deletionism". How does this relate? 3:56pmCharley

ah... the question is...

Will you choose the WMF policy over your friendships?

which is stronger loyalty or law? 3:58pmCormac

so what friendships are you looking at here? between you and mike? or..? 3:58pmCharley

You and JWS, Me and JWS, JWS and Moulter, etc.

Looking at SB_Johnny, Historybuff,...

all of the original core vs. the current core 3:59pmCormac

ok... though, I suppose there are very many gradations of friendship - esp. online 3:59pmCharley

sure

to me, WV or WMF policy is just a bunch of crap.

I value the friends I've made online and will scrap all of that work

Can Jimbo be friends with CQ? 4:01pmCormac

hmm, you don't see policy as something which can actually support community-building? And undermine nastiness?

of course he can - I've met him a bunch of times ;-);-) 4:01pmCharley

not really.. not yet. 4:02pmCormac

maybe you should think about an essay that would serve the kind of social function you look for - put it up on WV 4:03pmCharley

I have some on Meta 4:03pmCormac

yeah, I was going to say there are a ton there :-):-) 4:03pmCharley

Meta holds the whole thing together anyway :):)

It would sure be cool if you shoed up at #wikiversity

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It would sure be cool if you shoed up at #wikiversity 4:05pmCormac

methinks there are many more things holding wmf together than you give credit for :-):-)

(sorry if you got that twice) 4:05pmCharley

have you been to strategy.wikimedia.org yet? 4:05pmCormac

hmm, i'm kinda bit tired atm - thinking of bed - didn't get much sleep last night

i've visited but not poked around much

oh - battery about to die too 4:06pmCharley

I'm an outsider to most of wmf, but i've been bold there.

OK Cormac

Maybe I'll see you in #wikiversity !!!

Later bro! 4:07pmCormac

if you put your thoughts on-wiki, I could have a look and comment - i'd love to

well, like i say, i try and keep away - though i might pop in v. occasionally :-):-) 4:08pmCharley

B)B) 4:08pmCormac

heh - thanks - and great talking with you Charley!

yep - you're the man :-):-) 4:09pmCharley

You're the man!