User:John Vandenberg/IRC logs/Ottava - misc/2011-02-01


 * TZ is AEDT; log is unedited

 Feb 02 09:09:27 	Tell your dog to leave me alone. Feb 02 09:25:04 	pls talk to me in public forums only unless otherwise agreed Feb 02 09:25:56 	No, you took hundreds of hours of my work to justify giving Jack Merridew ops at Wikisource and never bothered to inform me first that you were doing it. Feb 02 09:26:10 	And all I get is that ass hole who is one of the worst offenders wikistalking me for 3 years Feb 02 09:26:23 	Tell him to leave me alone Feb 02 09:26:30 	stop - I will post any subsequent private comms publicly - you have been warned Feb 02 09:30:50 	I even have records where you told those like Durova that you knew he would continue to harass other people. Why do you keep doing that crap to me? Feb 02 09:31:34 	to be more clear, if you want to have a private discussion about something with me, I expect that to be a conversation that we both agree to participate in. due to problems resulting from previous private discussions, I no longer extend to you the usual protocol of implicit agreement to have private conversations, and now require that the mutual agreement is explicit Feb 02 09:32:01 	The problems were you didn't forward information about my harassment to people who matter!!! Feb 02 09:32:22 	Two major incidents where you let major sock puppet harassers get by who had long term harassment dealing wihtt me Feb 02 09:32:26 	Do you hate me? Feb 02 09:32:32 	Why do you do that stuff to me? Feb 02 09:32:40 	I bent over backwards every time you needed help Feb 02 09:32:49 	I never tried to fuck you or get you harassed by the worst people around Feb 02 09:32:53 	this is all going public Ottava - if you are unhappy with that, please stop Feb 02 09:33:00 	Two elections for ArbCom I busted my ass to help you get in Feb 02 09:33:04 	Go post in public Feb 02 09:33:08 	I just want the nonsense to stop Feb 02 09:33:12 	Stop encouraging them to harass me Feb 02 09:33:26 <Ottava>	I'm tired of it. Feb 02 09:34:30 	I have no intention of responding to the implied allegations you are making, such as the accusation that I am encouraging them. Feb 02 09:34:49 <Ottava>	I don't care if you reply or not Feb 02 09:34:53 <Ottava>	I want you to get him to leave me be Feb 02 09:35:32 <Ottava>	You built him up, you gave him my stuff to make people think he did work, you knew he was still a major problem, and you got him back into a position to harass those like myself. We both know that you have the ability to get him to back off. Feb 02 09:36:13 	do you think accusations are a good framework from which to ask for my assistance with a problem that you have which I have no prior knowledge of? Feb 02 09:36:26 <Ottava>	You were involved in most of it Feb 02 09:36:31 <Ottava>	How can you say you aren't aware of it? Feb 02 09:36:32 	more accusations Feb 02 09:36:36 <Ottava>	You even nominated him for admin! Feb 02 09:36:44 <Ottava>	You invoked my name multiple times, linked to -my- work Feb 02 09:36:48 <Ottava>	and didn't even inform me first Feb 02 09:37:16 	you made it free. Feb 02 09:37:24 <Ottava>	http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Administrators/Archives/Jack_Merridew Feb 02 09:37:26 <Ottava>	I made it free Feb 02 09:37:32 <Ottava>	I didn't make it for you to lie about who did the work Feb 02 09:37:43 <Ottava>	I didn't make it so you could use -my- name to get a banned user to admin Feb 02 09:37:57 <Ottava>	You don't think you had any ethical obligation to inform me? Feb 02 09:38:09 <Ottava>	Especially when it was a guy who long term stalked one of my close wiki friends? Feb 02 09:38:14 <Ottava>	and then when allowed back went after me? Feb 02 09:38:30 	if you have any dispute with the wording I used in that nomination, please raise it on my ws user talk page Feb 02 09:38:44 <Ottava>	My dispute is that you violated me Feb 02 09:38:48 <Ottava>	and he continues to Feb 02 09:38:51 <Ottava>	and you just let him Feb 02 09:39:12 <Ottava>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/User:Ottava_Rima#Jack.27s_Solution Feb 02 09:39:15 <Ottava>	He claims I stalk him Feb 02 09:39:20 <Ottava>	and his links are all where he goes after me Feb 02 09:39:47 <Ottava>	Are you saying I shouldn't be upset? Feb 02 09:40:03 <Ottava>	That I shouldn't feel betrayed that my work was used to help a guy harass me for 2 years? Feb 02 09:40:23 <Ottava>	God dammit John. I really liked you. I really thought highly of you. Feb 02 09:40:37 <Ottava>	Why is it that you keep helping these guys who are so incredibly wretched? Feb 02 09:41:38 <Ottava>	Even Durova told me to go to you to get Jack to stop bothering me. I talked to many admin and Arbs about what Jack is doing. Most say to go to you. So its not like I am special in thinking that you can get him to stop. Feb 02 09:41:41 <Ottava>	You owe me that much. Feb 02 09:56:17 	Ottava, I may be able to help you, but I am not going to engage with you in private unless I agree to do so. I do not agree to do so at present as I am at work, and would only agree to do so if you took a very different approach. At a minimum I would require that we discuss the problems you are seeing without any accusations against anyone involved. If you cant agree to do that, then i refuse to have a Feb 02 09:56:17 	private discussion with you Feb 02 09:56:53 	as discussed, I am publicly logging. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/wiki/User:John_Vandenberg/IRC_logs/Ottava_-_misc/2011-02-01 Feb 02 09:57:10 <Ottava>	I don't care if you are publicly logging, I said what I wanted to say. Feb 02 09:58:30 	I will be doing the same with any emails, unless the substance of the private comms is about setting up and agreeing to parameters around a private discussion Feb 02 09:58:41 <Ottava>	I told you I was done.