User:Super Quantum immortal/Organ farming

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1 intro

its born like this, missing the brain and part of the skull and scalp brainless baby pop out and full size (she is an actor!) your browser does not support the video tag, install

The limited availability of transplant tissue is a sever constraint on modern provision of health care. The "official" way of solving this, is with stem cell research. I'm not going in the details but its not a very bright idea. The other proposed idea is to bioengineer animals, so that we can receive there organs. This is a even worse idea, in the end, we will inherit there diseases, in my opinion this research should be banned. There is a beater solution.

There is a developmental condition, in which the fetus/baby, doesn't develop a brain. To be more precise, there's a varying portion of the brain steam, that part reminds you when its time to bread, regulate heart beats, temperature regulation, etc. And in short, that's it, all our transplant problems are solved, we grow and breed brainless humans, in order to harvest there organs and other uses.

Yes i did notice it sound horrible. I'll just point out, that this is a life and death mater, for YOU, YOUR family and YOUR friends. In my opinion, if you literally have no brain; not human rights; not even animal rights; you aren't entitle too.

2 Industry

This, is not a technological problem, the idea is trivial. Its a legal and industrial problem. For the legal part, you just change the law. For the industrial part, trying to be realistic. It will probably take around 5 years for all fluids and simple tissue transplants to meet demand(eggs(for cloning), blood, proteins, antibodies, insulin, etc). For full organs, it will probably take around a decade(tooths, hairs, hearts, livers, etc). And it will be cheap(hopefully). This is all about the logistics and building infrastructure. Stem cell research on the other hand will take, a long time, we will be dead before that. And it will most probably be expensive, and require very specialized people to work with it. The proposal, could have been done since some decades ago, from when ever artificial sustenance and transplant technology was advanced enough.

car taken apart

The source of first generation of brainless, could be donated from the what ever gets naturally born in hospitals. More realistically, it would probably be brain dead patients, anencephaly is almost totally extinguished because of prenatal diagnosis, and asking women to carry brainless babies would be to much psychologically. The brain dead women(possibly on men, but harder) are used to intensely carry more brainless, with donated sperm and eggs. We can't just breed them between them, genetic diversity will be too low, at least not until it reaches an appropriate population size. We can arrange that there offspring are brainless, at a genetic level, with appropriate teratogens, or with fetal surgery.

Current legal justification: Brain death for adults, so we can do what we want with them, they are dead. On fetus manipulation, abortion laws permits to kill them, so it should be passable to render them brain dead, an exotic form of abortion.

Expenses of comatose patients are quite high, they aren't transferable here. But these are not full humans, they are expendable equipment, if we lose some regularly, it doesn't mater, no need to be too aggressive in maintaining all of them no mater what, as with real humans(too expensive). Industrial quantities will cut cost down, because of economies of scale. No need to put them in beds, they will never wake up, further more because of sores they will have to be moved regularly every couple of hours. Permanent storage in some sort of appropriate sterile fluid, multiple brainless in a single casing, if something goes wrong we risk losing the whole casing. The weight is evenly dispersed so no need to move them. Bulk, feeding tubes, secretory tubes and ventilators, for more cost savings. Facilities very automated, unprecise(cheap) robots doing most of the hard work, something like 1 human personnel for 1000s of brainless, costs are cut down, with parallel increased death rates. No need to wait years and years for adult size. Natural growth is slowed down for brain development, here theres no brain. We give growth and sex hormones, in order to get adult size as fast as technically possible, a mater of some mounts.

Cloning is too expensive, it doesn't scale well on millions. If nothing fundamentally changes, it would be only for the very rich, or the very ill. The brainless population is kept diverse to accommodate the immune systems of the entire population. With this system, everybody, almost casually can get his transplant needs met.

3 Immunity

Keeping a very diverse population of brainless, mitigates the immunity problem. From there, we can do more intelligent immune system manipulations. For example, groups of brainless are grafted as a fetus with tissue from potential organ receivers. This way the immune system of the brainless recognizes the potential receivers as not being a threat, and doesn't attack it. So transplant receivers, can also receive the brainless immune system. Alternatively, receivers can receive part of the brainless thymus, it is charged with destroying maturing immune cells, that would attack the body it self, hence the immune cells of the receiver that recognize the transplant as a threat are eliminated. In those circumstances, immunity tests should be predone on everybody in advance, for case of emergencies. I'm sure they are other possibilities.

4 Surgery

stupid surgeon a robot surgeon

Surgery is deeply altered. Now, they try at all cost to save as much tissue as possible, on top of it, the lack of transplants often force them to harvest tissue from the patient. With the new system, priority would be given in saving the nerves, they heal not very well. Theres no need to dissect the patient for extra tissue, so the patient should recover faster. We could develop some standard amputations, systematically cutting more then strictly necessary, while saving the nerves for future transplant. This way surgeons training costs and errors go way down. Since the surgeons would tend to do, repetitive and uncreative surgeries. Potentially certain procedures could be done by robot surgeons, with an AI, not much smarter then what we have today. Replacements on the standard amputations, will be easier to program. At least the extraction and preparation of the transplants from the brainless. If the brainless dies, or the organ gets damaged, its not a big deal. The organs, could be robotically precarved, ready to receive the nerves of the patient. The purpose of the robot surgeons, is that the procedures are cheap, so that everybody can benefit from them, not for just an elite or for share holders pockets.

5 Psychology

With a little bit of plastic surgery, a brainless can be made to look like a sleeping person. There are potential special uses for this.

New forms of psychotherapy could become available. At least a certain category of serial killers and rapists, should find there happiness with the brainless, instead of doing there thing on people. Because we primarily need to fool naive neural circuits, in the limbic system, there's a good chance, that a good deal of interested individuals would find it a satisfactory substitute. In a more advanced form, we could imagine, a form of animatronics to increase realism. Runned, maybe with totally free access(commercial?), or with medical prescription.

More ludic, they could be used as a special form of sex doll, at home or at bordellos. Some form of sex therapy perhaps, or pure perversion. If we grow them and harvest there organs, i don't see why we should make that illegal.

6 Research

Students at university and schools, training surgeons and the ordinary public, could perform educational vivisections on them.

We could make experiments, that dr mengele would be jealous off. We could keep them on a table and do stuff to them. We could feed them with only junk food and sodas for 30 years, and compare it with a vegan diet. We could carry them around, left them for years at Chernobyl. Blast them in to outer space, for... all there lives. AIDS experimentation at will. You are a AIDS doubter? Just inject HIV in 100 brainless, wait some time, and you have your answer. In all cases, we would see what happens, just need to calibrate the experiments for the lack of a brain, or add tissue that behaves in a similar way.

Research priorities, will change considerably. Concentration on neurones, brain diseases, immune system, and seamless/faster cicatrization. Steam cells, or what ever new tricks we could think of, combined with the availability of brainless. More specifically, neurone transplants, have to be embryonairy, adult neurones are of little use.

7 third gender

these things look expensive artificial wombs

Pregnancy, is cumbersome, a potentially dangerous experience and other drawbacks. By simply using the brainless to carry to term our pregnancies, women can be liberated from this hindrance. This, is absolutely not, a trivial change, from evolution's point of view, our species would be composed now of 3 genders, so extensive reorganization will follow.

3 genders: 2 different types of males(men and women), and an unconscious female. The differences between men and women, where due to the difference in reproductive potential, now they suddenly are put at an equal footing. Our very long term evolution has 3 possibilities. Either the 2 genders simply merge. Either they are maintained with some modifications as different specialized worker casts, similarly with ants, termites and bees worker casts.

The last possibility, supposes, that we will be capable to efficiently force successful same gender pregnancies(men-men and women-women), from the evolutions point of view, our species would be hermaphroditic, with 2 deferent types of hermaphrodites, following some what differently 1 of the previous possibilities.

Because of the brainless, they are several interesting manipulations we could do:

7.1 Low level interventions

An other interest would be very invasive inspections of the fetus, while it develops. Stuff that we would never do on a pregnant woman. Things like systematic cell harvesting, to check for defects. Something like 24/7 monitoring, a small permanent hole, for sticking cameras and other tools. All in a way, that doesn't, compromise the fetus, at the expense of the brainless surrogate mother. Echography and other inspection technics, can't be used permanently, they have a low level toxicity.

On a more practical level, we could do several manipulations in order to increase efficiency. We could amputate all none vital organs, and maybe even some vital 1s(like the heart, replaced with pump), in order to redius food requirement. The brainless could be used at first for human pregnancies. After a certain standard quota, they are used to death for brainless reproduction, things like multiple simultaneous brainless pregnancies. If it dies while it was carrying several brainless fetuses, its not a big deal.

7.2 Bold interventions

mouse foetuses A. normal B. genetically engineered There brains were so big that they died, but still very promising mouse foetus with huge brain

We could artificially increase brain size of gestating fetuses, like with the mouse of the image. Brain size among other things is constrained by the fact that we have to get out of our mothers, here this is gone. Other problem, is excess heat production, we could implant artificial radiators or coolers, in the developing fetuses, to solve this issue. Of course, brain size alone isn't everything, you have to know what you are doing, or theres great risk of retardation.

We probably have the most useless babies of the entire animal kingdom. Our babies are basically premature, so that their brains can go out of there mothers at birth. We could try to leave them more in the brainless, so that they are more developed at delivery. They just eat, sleep and poop at the beginning anyway.

7.3 Explicit memory transplant

This section is a little bit too much science fiction, but the wild guesses are quite reasonable:

With transplant technology, we can make you last in a good condition, for quite sometime, even recover from some of the worse accidents. But in the end, our brains are not immortal, they would need repair too. The problem is that the brain is incredibly complex, even if we map it totally, we most probably will not be capable to repair it by implanting new neurons. As the embryo's brain develops, it folds and secret various signaling molecules in complex ways, everything ordering the neurones how to set them selves. If we attempt something similar on a adult brain, we would riddle it with holes, more likely the procedure will kill more neurones then new neurones that we will inject. Even if its possible, the prise will probably be extream, not transposable to the entire population. Even, if by some miracle, it is possible, its certain that our generation will not benefit from it.

So if we can't realistically get brain repairs, what can we do? Lets, look more carefully what we want, basically we are afraid of dying. This is something we can fix, more easily. Instead of trying to repair the entire brain, we can concentrate on preserving our explicit memories. If we transplant in a clone, only our explicit memories, after the transplant, we going to experience the events, as if we went in to surgery, and when we woke up, we are in our clone's body. Here we transplant explicit memories, not the experience, theres a difference. From evolutionary point of view, it may be superior to real immortality, since theres an element of regeneration.

More precisely, we don't really know where explicit memory is located, its somewhere above the ears, but its not pinpointed precisely enough. When it will be precisely pinpointed, the plan is, to extract it(and kill you in the process) and implant it in your clone, while he is a fetus. The plasticity of the fetal brain, should enable it, to make the correct connections to the transplant; furthermore, new neurones could invade and integrate the existing neural nets. After birth, as the child develops, it would be able to recall your life, but experiencing them, as if they was his memories. I don't think, that you can perceive this transition, as death; so we seceded in what we wanted to achieve, cheat our fear of death. A 70 year old's memories, in the brain of a 3 year old, thats scary science fiction. Of course the procedure can be made over several generations of clones, spanning centuries.

It could be, that the way the memory system is really setuped, isn't possible to successfully perform this operation. Embryonary brain transplants, are done successfully on animals and between different species of animals, for brain research, but i'm not aware of anything regarding explicit memories.

The brainless, are important here, because, you need eggs to perform the cloning and you don't need to find a surrogate mother, that will probably get her bely totally opened up, for hours of surgery.

8 General New possibilities

The sudden availability of transplants, turns on there heads, many longterm assumptions, about how to treat people. Some ideas:

Preemptive transplantations, of everything at +/-40 years old. We add what? 35 years to your life expectancy? We don't need to wait until you are literally dieing to find you a new heart. Not only you live longer and healthier, you can work for longer too and have a shorter retirement, for when your brain is too deteriorated. Of course, now, euthanasia has to be legalized, in theory we can make you last until the very last of your neurones is dead. Thats what? Some centuries? We can prepare you, to be easily openable. We take in to account that we will open you up frequently, in repetitive interventions, while keeping healing time brief. Something like a titanium sternum, with a special mechanism, that can be opened and closed in minutes, with a special key or something. Even after a heart intervention, you can be on your foots, in a mater of several days. Some sort of flexible abdominal zipper, a navel plug and other openings. We just need to cut open the skin, to reach the artificial opening. they could be used even for more benign checks. We could leave inside things like a small camera, an emergency small robotic arm, remotely controlled or an AI. Maybe, it's possible to fit them in fetuses(inside a brainless), they would heal beater, or grow around them. Or maybe, it would be possible to inject them, the wolverine way; maybe some kind of corrosive first, then some binding resin and then open surgery to attach the titanium part on the preimplanted bone rootings.

selective breeding results genetic engineering results(glofish)

On the long term, we can improve efficiency of the brainless by performing selective breeding on them, or genetically modify them. For faster results, we could radiate them to increase mutation rates.

For example, we could arrange, that they are brainless at a genetic level, not requiring further manipulation from us. We could arrange there immune types are more neutral, for example, we get all of them to be of the O blood group. Keep them very diverse, so that everybody can find organs very close to his immunity, thus requiring less invasive immune system manipulation, possibly no manipulation at all. We could breed a special 3° gender strand, exclusively for carrying babies, breed out, limbs, bones, with smaller vital organs, etc. The 3° gender could be bread to carry multiple pregnancies for cutting costs, to be big as a cow or huge as a wale, with proportional increase in risks.

AIDS can be treated with a transplanted immune system, that is genetically immune to aids. Harvested by a special breed of brainless. Similar solutions can be done with other diseases. Theres no really a need to know, what we are doing. The extremely dumb way, would be to take some 1000s of random brainless, infect them, and keep breeding with each other, the 1s that fair best. Of course, a little bit of intelligence will cut costs and increase speed.

Of course, immune cells, can be used for a 1 time injection, as an intelligent drug, for the time they are alive. Far more potent, then what 1 molecule could ever do. Being specially filtered, to select the 1s with the desired action. Breastfeeding is superior for psychological reasons, but we could setup an industrial human milk production. I suppose, if you have to chose, human milk, should be superior to cows milk, natural selection stick its nose in to it. For the very long term, we could imagine that natural selection, selects out women's breasts and adapt to milk from brainless; breasts are still a cancer hazard. Almost all organs are expendable. This way we can concentrate on heavily monitoring the brain and nerve system, for early treatment. Temporary emergency transplants on brainless. You have your leg cut off and your vitals are in a mess. Your leg is graphed on a brainless, while the surgeons try to save your life, you get your original leg back, when you stabilize. A variation, if the upper part of your leg is destroyed, the remaining leg is graphed on a brainless, you get grafted a new in between and your original lower part of your leg, at an other operation. People could freeze sufficient eggs/sperm and then get irreversibly sterilized, perfect birth control. Especially interesting for women. 80% 3° burn victim? No problem, we will peal a brainless, from just next to you in the operating table. You are a chronic alcoholic, no problem, we replace that rotten liver, so you can continue drinking. You eat too much candies? no problem, we'll replace all those rotten tooths, so that you can continue abusing sugar levels. We could use the brainless as a bio robot, by controlling by remote control there muscles. But it would probably be cheaper to just use monkeys.

9 Materialization

All this is very nice, but as you noticed already, the real difficulty is political. To put it bluntly, if you don't do anything to promote this in your jurisdiction. YOU, YOUR family and friends, and me, will suffer and die because of it.

Whats going to be the position of the pro-life movement? I think because of the size of the controversy, its in my best interest to not take any part in this discussion.