User talk:Andreasmeiszner

Open source learning
Hi Andreas! I'm knocked backwards by the depth of your experience - I deepy wish you can become involved in the ever-unfolding imagining of Wikiversity. There are many questions that you bring up on Wikiversity talk:Main Page - amongst them being "Wikimedia only uses our own software". Well, that may be true to some extent, but I think that Wikiversity may very well need some further structuring to its software - possibly integrating MediaWiki with a suite of other open source tools and/or extensions. The MediaWiki developer community are pretty stretched, from what I can gather - but if there is a ReallyGoodIdea TM, then it may have a good chance of gathering some momentum behind it. However, in all of these questions, we need to step back and ask what Wikiversity is and how it facilitates learning. All of our activity should be addressing this central question - and it is quite a profound one. It's also a really interesting one - one I'm deeply engaged in - and I very much hope you can be involved too.

On your specific question, it's not just the Learning to learn a wiki way project that addresses the questions you raised - for me, it is a multitude of activity clustered around various interests. However, that's one good place to start. So, what are we brainstorming? Should our brainstorming have its own page on Wikiversity? Or is this work ongoing on a mailing list/wiki/workspace elsewhere?

On another note, I actually met one of the heads of OpenLearn recently, and I'd love to further explore the differences and possible synergies between the two projects. In short, we've plenty to talk about - do you use IRC at all by any chance? Or Skype? Cormaggio talk 09:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. “Listening and observing first” might be the smartest way. This is to say: before changing wikiversity (or any other environment) we might want to bring the wikimanians, flosse posse, students and some educators all together within this environment to discuss on future learning in a wiki / open source way. The summer university that we will run is exactly about that – though aimed to be “Medium neutral”. There seem to be a clear added value of using wikis, but there also seem to be other “Medium” that are equally important. So but how to mix them in the right form & dress them nice, this is something we want to find out. By running the summer school within the wiki/floss/openlearn environment we might also get some good feedback on what works well and not. You can get me at skype, I will mail you my ID! --andreas 10:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "Listening and observing first" - we certainly need to do this. But, for me, action research is also a great fit with the wiki model - collaboratively discussing, planning, acting, observing, reflecting. But what are you interested in listening out for? Do you want to know how, for example, a set of educators would like to see Wikiversity developing? Or wat their own particular needs are? Or what their problems so far have been? This is all work in progress - there are pages like Problems I have encountered (just set up), Developing Wikiversity through action research (and its talk page), Technical needs and others where we have been discussing these issues. So, I'd like to start right now, and work our way up to this session in the summer. I don't think we'll have found definitive answers by then, but we may have more concrete questions and data to address them. I'll try to discuss this more via Skype - though I've a few other projects to work at the moment. Cheers! Cormaggio talk 10:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, what I would like to learn (coming from the floss side) is how do people learn within floss. The tools they use, the artefacts, and how they use them, and the different roles they have, and …

Since they know best what “learning the open source way” is, we would like them to develop a course together with us on, well, “learning the open source way” – by providing an initial basic course outline within a floss-like environment. The summer university will be developed around this (this is what we are right now working on).

The summer university thus will be designed to be “active”, at least if we manage it to get enough participants (and if so it should allow us by the same time to "listen and observe").

We do know that around 20% of floss people are HE students and around 75% have visited HE – that means they can compare and tell us the difference between the one and the other, the pro’s and con’s, the limitations, and what and how learning might be in a lifelong context.

Just asking educators and programmers might not be enough, but if all together are up to the same thing within the same environment (like e.g. developer and user of phpbb, joomla, linux,etc) than we might get the "product definition" of a suitable learning environment.

The EUA Trend Reports claimed in the past that students are actively involved in the Bologna change process and participate in learning experiments using emerging tools and services – so let them raise their word here too.

Though we do have some incentives (download!)and eye catcher (download!)a challenge is certainly to make them all participate!

Also: many floss projects now use wiki’s (from the 80 projects I checked 50%). They seemed to use wiki’s mainly as a “knowledge base” – but not as a substitute for all other tools, namely: see here(download!).

I don’t see Wikiversity “rocking up” as is, but it might if integrated into a larger framework including (integrated in) the out and running communities and tools – and this is what we need to find out: what’s the right framework to make them come and to provide them with the benefits they are looking for. --andreas 12:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC) OK, just now remembered that c/p from a text would not move the links.--andreas 13:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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"notification option on responses" See Wikiversity_talk:Main_Page. --DavidCary 00:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)