User talk:B9 hummingbird hovering

Hello, if you are at this site regarding the Tibetan Language Course please leave your name by clicking the <> tab above (the third tab from the left at the top of the screen) signing with four tildes ( ~ ) which is generally located at the top left of a QWERTY keyboard and place the tildes after an asterisk (*) which forms a bullet point and press the <> and follow the rest of the instructions as per your initial point of contact. Please refine you entry by trial and error by revising it in edit mode to ensure it conforms with the entry I have left as a template:
 * B9 hummingbird hovering 06:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Spiritup
 * Crissi 04:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Truebodhi
 * Brozkeff 12:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * PalmdaleHermit 22:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

userpages
Hi, I've been following some of the development of the Tibeten resource with interest. This looks like a wonderfull addition to wikiversity. Also, I noticed that you made these edits. Why not ask the members of the project to create their own user page? After all, it is good practice on learning how to edit a wiki. Many contributors here use the userpage to describe what they are interested in and what their learning goals are. This could be an extension of blogging, to perhaps include something in Lesson One: creating a weblog on Wikiversity where step one is to create an introduction about themselves on the userpage. Typically people will visit a bluelink userpage with the impression that it will tell them something about the person who created the account. To find a comment that was not written by the person is perhaps a little less than usefull. --mikeu talk 13:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

YouTube
I asked: I have located some guys who have uploaded heaps of audiovisual onto YouTube regarding Tibetan language learning amongst others. Is there a way to embed this stuff from YouTube in Wikiversity directly? I tried embedding in HTML tags but didn't work. Or is this new Wikimedia Player I have heard about within Wikiversity pages a good way to embed the url? Or do we need to encourage them to upload it somewhere within the auspice of the Wikimedia Foundation projects? Where would be most appropriate? Is there a different location other associated media such as translations should be placed? Recommendations about how to establish project linkages? Is there a protocol? Dictionaries, would you know how best to incorporate the doings of our group within Wiktionary? Is there a forum within the Foundation to maximise interactivities between projects? Is this information somehow already captured within Wikiversity from other language learning projects? Is this information harvestable? You're prolly thinking OMG but if you may assist in any way or foster appropriate linkages I would be most appreciative. Is there a mentor program on Wikiversity?

You answered: Wikiversity is currently testing some innovative features such as this. However, we don't currently have anything that is stable enough to inlcude here. We have a Sandbox Server where we try out new things and experiment. Think of it as an entire server/website that is one big Sandbox. Some of the current experiments include embedded twitter feeds and YouTube. You are welcome to create an account there and try these features out. I would hesitate to include too much in the way of finished lessons there, since the tests could disrupt any learning project that relies on them. We often make changes that have the side effect of breaking something that was working... But it is a long term goal of ours to enrich the content here with multimedia and we welcome any participation in working toward this goal. --mikeu talk 13:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Here is part 2 of my reply. For a start, take a look at Interlingual coordination. I'm not familiar with wikitionary, but I'll give you an example using www.wikiversity.org of how interlanguage projects work in wikimedia. Take a look at a project that I started at International Year of Astronomy. This was an attempt to translate some info about this worldwide event into as many languages as possible. Would you like to add Tibetan? ;) There are independent wikiversity projects now for Spanish, German, French, etc.  Those languages that do not yet have enough people involved can start a section on  to develop resources in that language.  For example, you are at the right place here at en-wikiversity for creating projects to teach English speakers the Tibetan language.  But betawikiversity might be the best place to create learning resources written in Tibetan for people who already speak the language.  There are currently no hard and fast rules about where to create projects.  Mostly the decision is done to maximize the audience of speakers of a language to insure the broadest partiticipation, and also the development of a community.  From what I can tell Tibetan is one of the few languages that wmf does not yet have much support for...  It looks like the language code for Tibetan is "bo" as in bo.wiktionary.org. However, it looks like someone started that project, but it was later closed. They now recommend that you develop here at the incubator which is pretty much empty at this point. I would suggest contacting the community at bo.wikipedia.org to see if there is any interest in reviving the project. BTW, I had a hard time with the webpage interface on bo-wikipedia, probably due to the character set issues. Let me know if you need some help in viewing it. Also let me know if you are interested in creating anything at beta-wikiversity, I can give you a little help on that. --mikeu talk 00:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Part 2a. You might also want to take a look at meta:Template:User language for use by your multilingual students on their userpage. Maybe you can help with translating the messages to Tibetan. This is a handy way of finding out how best to communicate. --mikeu talk 01:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Hmmm... It is more complicated than I thought. See for a list of language codes for the various Tibetan languages/dialects. These 2 or 3 character computer codes are used to name wikimedia language projects. For example xct.wikitionary.org would be a hypothetical Classical Tibetan Wiktionary. --mikeu talk 01:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * YouTube is intended to be a master list of links to YouTube content by and for Wikiversitans. CQ 17:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Have you explored ideas for uploading translations and a dictionary? Wikisource would probably be the place for a translations of public domain text. Feel free to drop me a note if you need some advice or help. I just imported bo and bo-wo but they will need a little copyediting to fix the broken links. --mikeu talk 11:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Details about writing templates can be found at meta:Help:Template. I would start by deciding if you want to create a local page for help on template use, or just link to wikipedia.  For the latter you can just search for the redlinks and "w:" to fix the broken link.  --mikeu talk 11:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We also have some local information about templates at Templates and Topic:MediaWiki_templates. --mikeu talk 12:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I would start by asking questions at wikt:Wiktionary:Information_desk. They will be able to give you an overview of how multilingual information is organized on the project. Drop me a note if you post there, and I'll follow the discussion to see if I can help facilitate something. --mikeu talk 12:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You could also be bold and just start creating something at Wt/bo. You will likely need to show that you have a few active and dedicated contibutors before they will reopen bo.wiktionary.org.  The incubator site will allow you to make progress and develop a community.  Asking at the wiktionary forum that I mentioned above is a good place to start in any case.  --mikeu talk 12:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Tools
Hey B9HH and welcome. You're doing some fabulous work and I'd like to help out. I put some ideas in your path and would like to present you with some tools. I think you can use some transclusion to develop Topic:Tibetan. Look into the structure of Portal:Languages and my New Testament Greek portal for some insight. And please, step back, relax and slow down a bit. I can't keep up! --CQ 17:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

RFC on en.wikipedia.org: moving towards extreme exclusionism
Dear B9 hummingbird hovering,

You may be interested, there is a RFC on this talk page: []. Some form of extreme exclusionism appears to emerge, where people argue that items on lists [i.e. SAL] are only permitted if they have a wikipedia article, otherwise they are not deemed worthy for inclusion. Perhaps you'd like to comment. Many thanks!

Yours, Mootros 13:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * B9hummin'bird_hoverin' (en.wikt,en.wp,en.wikiv) 14:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

RSS Feed
Thank you hummingbird for your welcome. I've already tried the alphabet game it looks promising. However I have not yet learned how to work this RSS feed thing.

By the way as I was finding my place on this page I saw something about exclusions?? Is there no place where people don't go for the in group nonsense? As a person living with disability (A.K.A. legally blind and hard of hearing from birth)I find the idea of just one more place where some people feel some strange need to belittle or exclude just a bit wrong. Maybe I'm just being sensitive but it really doesn't make sense to me. Well once again thanks for the welcome and I'll let you know how well it goes --PalmdaleHermit 02:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Tibetan Fonts
Hummingbird in answer to your recent questions. 1. yes I have loaded and can use Tibetan unicode fonts. I am using Tise for imputing in Tibetan Uchen script 2 My system configuration is as fallowed windows XP for the Os. OpenOffice for word processing spreadsheet and data base

hope this is helpful. Oh by the way I noticed that the games for the alphabet says its not sounding any dialect but just the Wylie transliteration. --PalmdaleHermit 03:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC) hello i have left a comment on "your" mindstream page. the article is a mess and only you can save it!!!!!!

Naked brain study of the world
I read some of your blog and was provoked to ask how you think we can actually achieve a reasonably good fundamental understanding of the universe and our place in it. Our brains are available tools for generating beliefs about the nature of reality, but I'm a skeptic about the prospects for any naked brain study of the world leading to beliefs that are well-founded. I say "naked brain" in the same way I would discuss "naked eye astronomy": we gain greater understanding of astronomy by inventing and using new tools (like telescopes) rather than relying only on naked eye observations. Thinking and philosophizing and reaching fundamental conclusions on the basis of "naked brain" observations seems as unlikely to reveal the true nature of the universe as trying to understand the nature of galaxies by looking up at the stars with our naked eyes. Are there any good reasons to believe that pre-scientific philosophical traditions (which rely on "naked brain" observations) can provide us with a coherent and meaningful narrative about the universe, our place in it and how we can have a degree of certainty about the validity of our beliefs? --JWSchmidt 02:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply to my question. "a sense of purpose" <-- You make me want to describe "the human condition" as something like: "willing to construct all manner of stories in an attempt to hold on to a sense of purpose". "textbook on consciousness" <-- I tried to help with such a book at Wikibooks, but there was another person there who had a fixed set ideas about the topic and did not understand/welcome my perspective. Sadly, there seem to be amazingly few people who can actually use wiki technology as a tool for collaboration. I have not followed your travails at Wikipedia. I've studied some of the roots of institutionalized POV-pushing and bullying within Wikimedia, topics that fall in the topic area of Wikimedia Studies. One of the interesting features of the Wikimedia Foundation is that its highest paid officials actively suppressed study of the weaknesses of Wikimedia by scholarly participants at Wikiversity. Is there anything that can be done about this sorry situation? Several "forks" of Wikiversity now exist where Wikimedia Studies can be explored beyond the reach of the Wikimedia censors. I also continue to have hope that intellectually honest scholars will some day gain control of the Wikimedia Foundation...the struggle continues. --JWSchmidt 07:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Is this initiative dead or just de-railed?
To get back on Topic for "Learning Tibetan", is this project still alive? It does not appear to be. I am new to the Wiki idea for the Tibetan Language so hoping we can get this thing back on track to its stated purpose. If not, well, take care, all. --Pfstevenson32 (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)