User talk:Iceflow

PSA - A Cautionary tale
Chat log concerning PSA development for Wiki Campus Radio Halloween podcast...

[2009-09-14 21:29:01]  BTW Was it you that nearly torched your flat? [2009-09-14 21:29:06]  yep [2009-09-14 21:37:02]  Another idea you've triggered, Iceflow, Could you come up with Seven Deadly Sins in connection with Home entertaining? [2009-09-14 21:37:23]  huh? [2009-09-14 21:37:37]  Iceflow: A PSA idea I had... [2009-09-14 21:37:44]  Thou shalt not serve cheese and pineapple? [2009-09-14 21:37:46]  Lol [2009-09-14 21:38:25]  Iceflow: It was to have something like a senior devil instructing a class of junior devils about how to ensnare humans.... [2009-09-14 21:38:51]  ooer [2009-09-14 21:39:00]  But each of the 'sins' are things related to a sfatey issue... [2009-09-14 21:39:23]  Like 'pride in having a smoke detector, but not checking the battery' [2009-09-14 21:39:33]  like putting a lit candelabra on a table cloth, etc? [2009-09-14 21:39:42]  Kind of [2009-09-14 21:40:03]  When you said home entertaining, i thought u meant dinner parties etc. [2009-09-14 21:40:12]  Kind of [2009-09-14 21:40:41]  The Senior devil in this PSA is meant to be a sort of satircal figure... [2009-09-14 21:41:23] <Qcoder00> Because what he's saying are ways to ensnare are things people taking common sense seriously won't do... [2009-09-14 21:42:07] <Qcoder00> For example, to me greed would be covered by say a food posioning issue... (although not the Salmon Mousse!!) [2009-09-14 21:42:51] <Iceflow> so like, undercooked pork, improperly stored food, etc [2009-09-14 21:42:57] <Qcoder00> Yeah , [2009-09-14 21:43:21] <Iceflow> Sloth could be the smoke alarm [2009-09-14 21:43:26] <Qcoder00> Yeah [2009-09-14 21:43:39] <Qcoder00> The battery you were too lazy to check [2009-09-14 21:43:47] <Iceflow> I dunno what the rest are :( [2009-09-14 21:43:51] <Iceflow> Yep [2009-09-14 21:43:57] <Iceflow> Or install [2009-09-14 21:44:16] <Qcoder00> "Lust", "Gluttony", "Greed", "Sloth", "Wrath", "Envy", and "Pride". are what Wikipedia says the Seven deadly sins are [2009-09-14 21:44:30] <Iceflow> wrath? [2009-09-14 21:44:34] <Qcoder00> I thought you said you were Catholic at one point and should know such things? [2009-09-14 21:44:45] <Iceflow> I am catholic [2009-09-14 21:45:03] <Iceflow> But i didn't know the 7 deadly sins :) [2009-09-14 21:45:11] <Qcoder00> Maybe Gluttony is the Food Posioning one... [2009-09-14 21:45:13] <Iceflow> What the hell is wrath? [2009-09-14 21:45:26] <Qcoder00> Wrath is typically associated with anger [2009-09-14 21:45:30] <Iceflow> Oh [2009-09-14 21:45:33] <Iceflow> Ok [2009-09-14 21:46:27] <Qcoder00> Lust I'm not sure to represent... [2009-09-14 21:46:31] <Iceflow> well i'm trying to think of a home related thing associated with anger [2009-09-14 21:46:47] <Iceflow> Lust? O_o [2009-09-14 21:46:49] <Iceflow> Hm [2009-09-14 21:47:15] <Qcoder00> Traditonaly Lust is associated with desire or sexual advances... [2009-09-14 21:47:51] <Iceflow> not wearing a condom? [2009-09-14 21:47:59] <Qcoder00> but that's not the sort of issue I was wanting to feature... [2009-09-14 21:48:03] <Iceflow> Common sense in this day and age [2009-09-14 21:48:37] <Qcoder00> To me Lust is more approriate to being careful about the guests you invite... [2009-09-14 21:48:55] <Qcoder00> Thinking laterally... [2009-09-14 21:49:11] <Iceflow> spose so. [2009-09-14 21:49:15] <Iceflow> It could work [2009-09-14 21:49:21] <Qcoder00> hmmm This is more complex than I thought... [2009-09-14 21:49:37] <Iceflow> so we've covered gluttony, sloth, lust... [2009-09-14 21:50:18] <Qcoder00> Wrath is traditonaly an anger thing... [2009-09-14 21:50:45] <Iceflow> but where would you represent that in the home? [2009-09-14 21:50:50] <Iceflow> Domestic violence? [2009-09-14 21:50:57] <Qcoder00> Not sure... [2009-09-14 21:51:50] <Iceflow> pride could be about making sure stair carpets etc are properly fixed, pride before a fall, etc [2009-09-14 21:52:05] <Iceflow> or using rugs on bare floors [2009-09-14 21:52:06] <Qcoder00> Iceflow: That's actually a better allegory :) [2009-09-14 21:52:25] <Qcoder00> Iceflow : you should put some of these on the wiki page :) [2009-09-14 21:52:41] <Iceflow> I will in the morning, when i'm with pc. [2009-09-14 21:52:55] <Qcoder00> Gluttony could be about overindulgence... [2009-09-14 21:53:06] <Iceflow> My new pda has got to be repaired. I only had it 2 days and housebricked it. [2009-09-14 21:53:23] <Qcoder00> I mean you get drunk at a party, and you'll have a splitting headache in the morning [2009-09-14 21:53:29] <Iceflow> That one is windows mobile, so it will be better than this dopey thing. [2009-09-14 21:53:54] <Iceflow> Gluttony could relate to drink driving... [2009-09-14 21:54:12] <Iceflow> Like an old australian psa from abc 11 cook island. [2009-09-14 21:54:23] <Qcoder00> Possibly, Although the recent UK campaigns have been about binge drinking [2009-09-14 21:54:44] <Iceflow> Gluttony can kill, ya know. One for the road, can often mean another one for the morgue... [2009-09-14 21:55:01] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deadly_Sins has more information about what they tradtionally represented... [2009-09-14 21:55:42] <Iceflow> Ok, well i'll look at that one too. [2009-09-14 21:55:52] <Iceflow> And come up with some suggestions. [2009-09-14 21:56:16] <Iceflow> I've got pc access from work tomorrow, so i'll try and get on during my lunch hour. [2009-09-14 21:56:58] <Qcoder00> Thanks [2009-09-14 21:57:25] <Iceflow> i'm looking forward to having a decent pda again... [2009-09-14 21:57:59] <Qcoder00> The idea is to have these demons effectivly foiled by sensible people, so to speak ... So the senior demon is a sort of satire... [2009-09-14 21:58:14] <Iceflow> I tried to upgrade my new one to windows mobile 6, and it powered down half way through the upgrade and died [2009-09-14 21:58:44] <Iceflow> Right, so like a training group whose training doesn't go to plan... [2009-09-14 21:58:51] <Qcoder00> I'd imagined the situation as a sort of 'college' group tutorial .. The senior demon being the sort of 'professor' figure... [2009-09-14 21:59:20] <Iceflow> like a lecture? [2009-09-14 21:59:27] <Qcoder00> More like a tutorial [2009-09-14 21:59:58] <Qcoder00> Of course at the end you have a question from the floor about ' What about the sensible ones?' [2009-09-14 22:00:33] <Qcoder00> ' Don't waste your time" says the senior demon... " Plenty of fools to forget the difficult!" [2009-09-14 22:01:02] <Qcoder00> He says it as kind of admonishment(?) In that those with common sense shouldn't be bothered... [2009-09-14 22:01:41] <Qcoder00> And yes I do know linking Halloween with devils might be controversial to some people... [2009-09-14 22:01:49] <Iceflow> so its not worth bothering with the sensible ones, go for the idiots in effect... [2009-09-14 22:02:01] <Qcoder00> Yes exactly [2009-09-14 22:02:04] <Qcoder00> :) [2009-09-14 22:02:27] <Qcoder00> I would call it satire, but it's meant to educate... [2009-09-14 22:02:57] <Iceflow> Well we do have to be careful with program direction issues, just in case we do have an audience likely to take offence... [2009-09-14 22:03:05] <Qcoder00> True [2009-09-14 22:03:43] <Iceflow> and association of devils with halloween is particular i know with the anglican church. [2009-09-14 22:03:57] <Qcoder00> but because this idea is carefully considered satire, after all the demons are being potrayed as only going for idiots (i.e a minority) I don't think there will be an issue [2009-09-14 22:04:30] <Iceflow> Hence why our local churches have a light festival to banish evil on halloween, for those wishing to avoid trick or treaters, evil doers, etc [2009-09-14 22:04:44] <Qcoder00> BTW The use of 'cartoon' devils in saftey films has been used before though [2009-09-14 22:04:45] <Iceflow> :) <.. snip ... > [2009-09-14 22:06:03] <Qcoder00> and came up with the idea of having one about Seven Deadly Sins  when holding a party/entertaining... [2009-09-14 22:06:26] <Qcoder00> So I came up with this idea about having a sort of mild satire... [2009-09-14 22:06:49] <Qcoder00> I.E A group of devils observing a party and asking thier senior for advice on how to ensnare people... [2009-09-14 22:07:13] <Qcoder00> .. because the fools didin't consider the health and safety issues associated with entertaining... [2009-09-14 22:07:39] <Qcoder00> Iceflow: I'll let you continue [2009-09-14 22:08:17] <Iceflow> we're looking at how to associate different stupidites round the home with each sin. [2009-09-14 22:08:48] <Iceflow> for example, pride with not fixing stair carpets, having rugs on polished floors, etc [2009-09-14 22:08:59] <Iceflow> As in pride before a fall. [2009-09-14 22:09:22] <Iceflow> Or sloth with not checking your smoke alarm, or not fitting a battery [2009-09-14 22:09:54] <Iceflow> Gluttony with binge drinking or drink driving... [2009-09-14 22:10:13] <Iceflow> A couple are a bit tough, such as lust and wrath... [2009-09-14 22:10:23] <Iceflow> But we're battling through. [2009-09-14 22:10:37] <Iceflow> Q? [2009-09-14 22:10:53] <Iceflow> Missed anything have i? [2009-09-14 22:13:01] <Qcoder00> No [2009-09-14 22:13:17] <Iceflow> :) [2009-09-14 22:14:34] <Qcoder00> Iceflow: My idea was to have the home stupidities represented in say a house holding a party... [2009-09-14 22:16:17] <Iceflow> yep, so they have a party, fall asleep after, unchecked smoke alarm, house catches fire... After someone has slipped on a rug and knocked themselves out, several people are plastered, so they don't get out. Anger of the families losing loved ones through stupidity... [2009-09-14 22:16:34] <Iceflow> How am i doing on a plot? That's 4 covered. [2009-09-14 22:17:14] <Iceflow> Thats pride, sloth, gluttony and wrath. [2009-09-14 22:17:15] <Qcoder00> Well the party is just a hyptohetical the senior demon is using as an example... [2009-09-14 22:17:31] <Qcoder00> but You are taking the idea further than I had :) [2009-09-14 22:17:38] <Iceflow> Yeah, but it is showing the sins incorporated into a scene [2009-09-14 22:18:04] <Iceflow> Which the senior demon could be using to demonstrate the issues he's teaching [2009-09-14 22:18:12] <Qcoder00> Indeed :) [2009-09-14 22:18:29] <Iceflow> Like an aide d' lecture [2009-09-14 22:18:33] <Qcoder00> Hmmm ... [2009-09-14 22:19:01] <Qcoder00> I'm not sure how to cover lust [2009-09-14 22:19:14] <Qcoder00> or link ti without offending people [2009-09-14 22:19:17] <Qcoder00> *it [2009-09-14 22:19:29] <Iceflow> how do we incorporate greed, lust and envy? [2009-09-14 22:19:59] <Qcoder00> Greed's about wealth isn't it? [2009-09-14 22:20:22] <Iceflow> Yeah, so probably a posh house, finest things etc, all destroyed. [2009-09-14 22:20:29] <Iceflow> In the fire [2009-09-14 22:21:04] <Qcoder00> Well greed and envy are related... [2009-09-14 22:21:33] <Iceflow> Ok, so some not quite so wealthy person comes to the party... [2009-09-14 22:21:41] <Qcoder00> Yeah... [2009-09-14 22:21:45] <Iceflow> 'I wish my house was like yours...' [2009-09-14 22:21:57] <Iceflow> Demon: 'Trust me, you don't...' [2009-09-14 22:22:20] <Iceflow> And he then points out all the flaws, and so on [2009-09-14 22:22:39] <Qcoder00> Well envy for things like expensive candles of decorations might not be a good things... [2009-09-14 22:22:56] <Iceflow> Hence it's a sin [2009-09-14 22:23:17] <Qcoder00> But the idea was to link Envy and Freed with specfic issues... hmmm [2009-09-14 22:23:22] <Qcoder00> *Greed [2009-09-14 22:23:27] <Iceflow> Envy is never a good thing. 'Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, or his ass, or his ox.' [2009-09-14 22:23:41] <Iceflow> Hell, even the 10 commandments covered it [2009-09-14 22:23:48] <Qcoder00> At least you are thinking :) [2009-09-14 22:24:01] <Iceflow> That's why there was a fire [2009-09-14 22:24:10] <Iceflow> My brain's overheating [2009-09-14 22:24:27] <Qcoder00> Seriously you are having some good ideas... [2009-09-14 22:24:45] <Qcoder00> A PSA is typically 30 secs or so.. possibly a miniute... [2009-09-14 22:24:55] <Iceflow> that's a first. Make a note of the day and time, it'll go down in history [2009-09-14 22:25:06] <Iceflow> There are longer ones though [2009-09-14 22:25:09] <Qcoder00> Yeah [2009-09-14 22:25:28] <Iceflow> The old play safe frisbee/kid/power station thingy... [2009-09-14 22:25:32] <Qcoder00> Yeah [2009-09-14 22:25:46] <Iceflow> biblock and hoblock, never play with lighters? [2009-09-14 22:26:04] <Qcoder00> " And he never played football again..." [2009-09-14 22:26:06] <Iceflow> They're both about 2 to 4 mins [2009-09-14 22:26:21] <Iceflow> Yep [2009-09-14 22:26:53] <Iceflow> There is the possibility for longer psa's, just a case of using the time well and scripting carefully to get the point across [2009-09-14 22:27:30] <Iceflow> brb need to go water the flowers :P [2009-09-14 22:30:42] <Iceflow> Back [2009-09-14 22:31:13] <Iceflow> But i gotta go, so i'll chat again tomorrow [2009-09-14 22:31:51] <Iceflow> Ill leave notes on the wv page, i got work in like 9 hours, just realised i've done no washing :O

[2009-09-14 22:32:14] <Iceflow> I'll drop back from work tomorrow, ok q? [2009-09-14 22:32:21] <Qcoder00> Iceflow: Fine [2009-09-14 22:32:22] <Qcoder00> :) [2009-09-14 22:32:26] <Iceflow> Bbfn [2009-09-14 22:32:34] <Qcoder00> Leave a talk page note if needed as well :)

[2009-09-14 22:33:05] <Iceflow> Btw, log what i posted if ya can, and pop it on my wv talk page. I m still iceflow there [2009-09-14 22:33:16] <Qcoder00> OK will consider it [2009-09-14 22:33:18] <Iceflow> All the plot stuff etc [2009-09-14 22:33:22] <Iceflow> Thanks [2009-09-14 22:33:26] <Qcoder00> Although I am not sure I log this channel at present [2009-09-14 22:33:27] <Iceflow> Bye guys [2009-09-14 22:33:44] <Iceflow> Well just copypaste and email it to me through wp [2009-09-14 22:33:49] <Iceflow> :) [2009-09-14 22:34:15] <Iceflow> Iceflow on wp and wv [2009-09-14 22:34:25] <Iceflow> Bye for now

You asked me to let you have the log as notes :) Sfan00 IMG 21:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)