User talk:JWSchmidt/3rd Qtr 2007 discussions

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Request
I am on a long term wikiversity break. Please block this account until October 30th 2009, in which is the day I will set to return. Student Galaxy 20:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi am george and i done something on topic:astrochemistry, schol of chemistry and i want to know what i must to do there becouse i want to start my work!thanks!

but how i can do this?if u take a look u can see that i wrote something, what i knew about this!this is wrong?

ok i see the point!well when i found the topic it was free and empty and i thought......

"Bcp3" created pages...
Uh sorry... I guess that really isn't clear, is it. With the excepteion of BCP, all of these pages were created using one version or another of bcp3 :). --SB_Johnny | talk 23:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! I have a full schedule, but I'll try to help whenever I can. I'll be a "handyman" around here! Zark 03:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

good job i hope you become a coustodian

Really good job...
Can you upload this picture to Commons? I would like to use this gif at the German Wikiversity... It would be great, if you could add a CC-license, too. The German wikiversity is using CC-BY-SA 2.5 (en). The CC-BY-SA 2.5-license would allows us to use the gif more easier for marketing purposes (outside the Wikiversity). Thanks... --Michael Reschke 19:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Cognition
Thank you for going to work on Thought 5501.01: Cognition. Somebody has to actually do something. (Your Servant has been too much of a Generalist.) :-) (s) Dionysios (talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-03 (July 3, 2007) Time: 210701 UTC


 * I'm not sure how you wanted to develop Thought 5501.01. --JWSchmidt 21:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Your Servant has no particular plan or desire as to how Thought 5501.01 or any other Wikiendeavor should develop, but rather, he is pleased to see an organic growth as the Wikisphere does that which it does.


 * Your work pleases Your Servant very much.


 * (s) Dionysios (talk), Date: 2007-07-04 (July 4, 2007) Time: 1400 UTC

Pratheep
Hi. You seem to be an active member here, and I just registered several minutes ago. So, I ask you, what should be done about Pratheep? I'd move it to User:Pratheep, but it tells me my account is too new. Since there is no user named Pratheep, perhaps a deletion would be better, especially considering the contributions of that IP? &mdash; SheeEttin {T/C} 19:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there
Hi there. I'm a student teacher, and I recently got this IP address. I don't want to get an account, yet...

Anyway, is it OK to use Wikiversity as a platform for writing GCSE English related articles?? currently my IP is blocked on Wikibooks and Wikipedia and I don't know why - I've certainly never done any "vandalism"!

can you get it unblocked for me there?? Good site here, I'll try and use it more! --84.45.219.185 08:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

--84.45.219.185 08:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * should just add I see a message saying the IP is blocked, it's weird, I didn't vandalise, and don't know who could have. My colleague, who's an IT technician, knows what Wikimedia is though!


 * Feel free to contribute learning resources for GCSE. Be sure to coordinate your efforts with Wikibooks GCSE content....any resources that take the form of a textbook should be on pages at Wikibooks. About "84.45.219.185".......it seems likely that 84.45.219.185 will be blocked again in the future since there are vandals who edit from that IP address. You should create an account. --JWSchmidt 14:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a heads up, the owner of this IP has a long history of requesting unblock, then creating more spambot and vandal accounts. CU on wikibooks (and wp, iirc) has shown nothing but vandal edits and accounts. It's hardblocked on wb, not sure what the current status is on wp. --SB_Johnny | PA! 12:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi..thanks for the message...that was my first time.. i've left my signature on the page

New Course Materials
I'm a TA, so in the last few semesters I've generated a large number of teaching and learning materials for coursework: Lab assignments and solutions, lecture notes, collections of references, timelines, etc. The course that I am working on now has strong robotics components, but it's for an introductory audience.

I'm going to start writing a book about programming the "Basic Stamp" processor, which is a common platform to teach about programming and robotics. I would like to start uploading some of my course materials here to work in conjunction with the book on Wikibooks. I just want to double check with you, because this is my first wikiversity project, and I want to make sure this is the right thing and the right place. --Whiteknight 14:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the welcome and the links! I guess what I'm trying to figure out here is what, exactly, i can do at wikiversity. I am going to write a textbook on the subject, but I have lots and lots of these learning materials, and I am making new materials every day of every week. Is this the kind of thing that I can upload to Wikiversity? I know that WV is focused on "collaborative learning", I just want to make sure that my interpretation of that statement is correct.
 * What I would like to do, Ideally, is to set up a timeline to give a temporal dimension to the learning. It's all well and good to have a book, it's a different thing entirely to have as schedule and say "Read these pages on day 1, do these exercises. etc" I would like to create is a syllabus organized on a per-day basis with reading assignments, lecture notes, laboratory experiments, and homework suggestions for every day. Each day the student reads the necessary book pages, and then performs the activities.
 * If this works out, there are probably about a dozen other subjects that I can start donating some of my personal teaching materials for. I've taught several classes, and I have lecture notes and laboratory assignments for all of them. --Whiteknight 18:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcome back
Is your thesis online? --JWSchmidt 21:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not yet, still have a bit more corrections to do.--Rayc 01:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

sorry, but...
...I'm reverting you on Cite sources. There was no argument given by the one supporting voter either, and while there are agruments on the talk page, there was never a quorum. It's not for you to decide this John: if you want to get some action on it, bring it up on the colloquium. You unilaterally decided to move this from proposed to official, 10 months after the last "vote" was cast. You know I love you and respect you, but that's a pretty heavy-handed move.

Way too much time was spent arguing over policies at the beginning (including near flame wars over rounded corners), and I'm sure a few folks were scared off (I would have been, if I weren't so distracted by the possibilities of what we can achieve here). Making a policy after that kind of discussion and feedback is a bit scary dude.

There are all sorts of proposed policies that deserve to be revisited... you guys wrote some good ones back in the day, but it all fell apart because writing policies isn't a way to make a project grow (it's about content and learning, silly!). I think we can start moving those through now (maybe a "policy of the week" thread on the colloquium), but you saying it's law because it makes sense to you is a really bad idea. Please think about this... and yes, I'm reverting you. --SB_Johnny | PA! 01:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Just an afterthought: I'd vote for that policy. It's the procedure that's upsetting me here. --SB_Johnny | PA! 01:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just an FYI that I support Johnny's revert on the grounds he has given. We shouldn't be so cavalier about these things.  The Jade Knight 02:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Citing sources is a great thing when there are indeed sources to cite. The problem with the Cite, Verifiability, and Reliable Sources triad is that they focus on secondary sources. Primary sources are permitted on Wikibooks, and my understanding of the OR allowance here is that for research projects Wikiversity can itself be the primary source.
 * I understand that it's nicer to have these as enforced policies through their links on the welcome template, but citation, sources, and verifiability could just as easily be addressed as help pages. If they're going to be policy pages, they should be discussed again, rather than switched from proposed to enforced months later and without any recent discussion or announcement.
 * It's not that we shouldn't have a policy that "people should cite sources", but rather that we need to figure a lot of stuff out before we enact a policy saying that anything unsourced will be removed. Sugar cubes can be just as effective as cattle prods :). --SB_Johnny | PA! 12:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the contact
So you can access my website now! I fixed the slow response to a tolerable degree. I know you have little spare time, but you're welcome to create an account and comment on whatever interests you - there is no substitute for experience and I don't have any. I'd rather not publish my url until the wiki is secure. PeterMG 05:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just visited your site because of what you "said" on IRC.<- Yes thanks, I wanted to make sure it was publically accessible. I'm still setting up the schools and topics, so there are many dead links, but I think there is enough for you to see what I'm proposing. If you see any 'gotchas' I haven't, I'd like to know sooner rather than later. PeterMG 06:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the resource
Hello JW,

Thank you very much for your kind welcome.

At the moment I am trying to become a middle school science teacher, and I have to take tests. The tests are not that difficult, though the breadth of knowledge is wide.

I have been experimenting with various wikis attempting to create a collaborative project, including zoho and pbwiki -- without success.

Most teachers take the praxis exams; the expectations are well documented in the Praxis Inc web site. I am using their framework to create what is thought of as "required learning" for teaching -- what is on the often hated standardized exams. Since much of the testing frame work is still embedded in my text, it is not yet ready for Wiki.

I have a very attractive page under construction still on my laptop; it includes a hilarious picture of a mad scientist I found here in the wiki resources. A scratch version is installed on Zoho wiki service if you are curious to my approach: Middle school science learning

Since I am very interested in project-based learning, which is also called group science, I will attempt to wrap the required learnings within more conceptual learning, what the constructivists call "constructing a community of knowledge."

For now I have to work memorizing all of the required factual information, so as to do well on the tests, but I have a lot of material developed on group science.

I also have contributed to the Wikipedia "Project-Based Learning" article; there was talk on the discussion page about it being meaningless "cruft," so I made hurried changes to it in order to save it from deletion. I would very much like to extend it.

Thinmanis my home page, and this is my star achievement, which enjoys a high search engine rating: Empathy

Thanks for the encouragement & a word about "project"
Hi, you are right, the way to build solid knowledge neurons is by doing, for certain. But the word project is loaded.

I think I can put this in bullet form:
 * kids develop a relationship with the world as they become more aware of it
 * as they begin to socialize and interrelate, this relationship develops into a shared conception
 * when they get to school, and teachers try to straighten them on certain misconceptions,
 * they think the teachers are crazy

Kids will tell you what you want to hear, but they think they are really being taught patience with elders. As soon as they back with their friends, the misconceptions are restored, and all is well from their perspective.

The project, or group, science, strategy is to allow them to discover the realities of science on their own by providing them with much the same equipment that our early scientists had, such as prisms, telescopes, microscopes. Their misconceptions are not actually wrong so much as "intelligently wrong," and often the entire community holds the same misconceptions. Here is were the true value is; as the students develop scientific technique and learn how things really are, they go back home and tell their parents what they did. In this way the entire community gets educated -- now that's value.

Science today is seeing a rise in the social science; as we apply scientific technique to social situations, we are far better able to get from these situations the kinds of results we are looking for. When kids do this, they can better experiment with life and conclude earlier what it is that they are good at, and what they like to do. This gives them factors better chances of getting the highest potential out of life, of self-actualizing.

Wow, thats great writing, I think I might use it myself.

John van v 01:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)John

Gizmo
I am very tempted to get a nokia 770 to experiment w/ Gizmo and its underlying SIP protocol.

What is your experience? I read that it works over dial-up, but I read that the sound can be garbled.

Middle_school_science
Are you saying that I should just go ahead and create this page? And throw up an outline of my proposed format.

I have put my personal page online: http://thinman.com/middle_school_science

So far, the effort is for looks, and the content is designed to make readers feel comfortable.

My goal for the midl schl sci wiki is to create a framework that, as I mentioned, wraps the required learning as it appears in required and standardized testing.

I have a prototype for this kind of framework from my computer experience. I created a simplified view of all computers I called the CMDN categories: [http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddk32zv4_274dx95sh "When working with common computer systems, observations fall into four distinct categories, CPU, Memory, Disk and Network." (JvV) ]

I would like to create a similar "high level" simplifications for each of the "disciplines:" Physics, Chemistry, Earth and Space, and so forth, each of which would consist of a limited number of categories.

Then from these categories I want to create yet a higher "wrapper" that resembles the Russian matrioshka nesting dolls, which is becoming a common analogous symbol for evolution. Childhood growth through inquiry is of cousre an example of evolution, but genetic.

This will create a hierarchial structure for the information, or constructed knowledge, that will then be turned into a true concept map through the linking of concepts within -- creating a vast concept map. To build this map, however, I am hoping I can prevail in insisting that proprietary software not be used. Concept mapping MUST, I feel, be a fully open architecture in the truest sense. And it must be a simple and easily maintained teachnology.

almost :P
Actually, it's the school I'm worried about... has a record of blockings on wikipedia, and it would be a bit problematic if I were showing people how to set up accounts and found that we, um, couldn't do that ;-). --SB_Johnny | PA! 09:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity beta
I am a user in Wikiversity beta I asked to change my name from Diaza to ZaDiak but they told to ask it from you could you please do that?
 * I'm looking. --JWSchmidt 16:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Content Does Not Seem to Match Page Names.
Greetings my Friend from Dionysios. Your Servant is wondering if the following Pages are correctly named:


 * 1) User talk:JWSchmidt/Early 2006 discussions Jan Feb March
 * 2) User talk:JWSchmidt/More 2006 discussions April May June

They appear to contain Archived Discussions for 2007, not 2006.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios  (talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-08-06 (August 6, 2007) Time:  1621 UTC

Latest Thoughts, Discoveries, and Writings of Dionysios
Greetings, My Friend ,

The Latest Thoughts, Discoveries, and Writings of Your Servant  are found at "Wikisphere".

And what among your many Thoughts, Discoveries, and Writings are you finding most Compelling just Now?

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios  (talk), 2007-08-06 (August 6, 2007) Time:  2149 UTC

Wikiversity Video Will Result in Much Progress
Your Servant is so pleased that you are working on Collaborative Video Creation.  Video inside Wikiversity Pages will certainly carry its Guarantee to bring much Progress in the Wikiendeavor in which we find ourselves Engaged.  Support at Wikiversity for Video Content is a tremendous Wikiendeavor.  Thank you for your many Excellent Contributions.

DAZ Sudio Animation looks like a fine Tool. Thank you for calling it to the attention of  Your Servant.   It promises to be Valuable.

(s) Dionysios  (talk), Date: 2007-08-07 (August 7, 2007) Time:  1445 UTC

Screen shots with things circled...
Hi John. While going through the colloquium archives (slowly but surely!), I noticed that you seem to be a wiz at making screenshots making circles and arrows. Would you be willing to do a bunch of these for the bloom clock? I ask because I was showing a non-wiki person how to do it yesterday, and a graphical introduction to how the clock works and what all the links mean would be a big help (including simple things like "what is 'commons'?").

Speaking of commons, do we have a good help page for image uploads? If so, does it encourage people to use commons rather than Wikiversity? --SB_Johnny | PA! 15:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, thankyou-thankyou-thankyou :). I'll tell you what I'm looking for in a bit, going out to take some photos now.
 * No-one knows "the rules" on commons these days, it seems :). If you want to start a page on it, I'll gladly give some pointers on the categorization/linking part. The only absolutes are that it fits in with the scope (i.e., the image is useful to at least one wikimedia project), and that it's under a free license (personally I prefer GFDL). --SB_Johnny | PA! 16:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

hi man!how are u?
i have a question for u!well, can i founded a new department becouse today i founded a new department on Biology School and his name's Department of tropical diseases!I'll wait your answer

thanks very much!
well i'll wait ur ideas and ur advices.i'll write there smt links to university where u can study this and to hospitals, and i'll write also general thinks about tropical diseases but i want to help me someone to show me what i must to do!

Wiki Templates
Hi, I have reached a first milestone with my Middle School Science page; the content for the earth and space science is now fully original, qualifying it to be a wikiversity page.

For career reasons, I will have to finish all the other content for the other topics (phys, chem, math, bio) so I can actually take the tests.

The structure is based on the Praxis exams, and I am not sure of the Praxis licensing so I have ommited all their text.

The GACE exam (the teacher exam I will be taking), has a somewhat open license that makes the text in it available for educators -- which is what we are. It is more generalized than the Praxis framework, and without detail, but I will include it anyway to help the structure of middle school science page.

I really do need collaborators, and I am not sure how to find them. I have written an invitation for teachers to join; here is the link: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddk32zv4_420dvkwqw

Middle School Science Progress
Hi, I have reached a first milestone with my Middle School Science page; the content for the earth and space science is now fully original, qualifying it to be a wikiversity page.

For career reasons, I will have to finish all the other content for the other topics (phys, chem, math, bio) so I can actually take the tests.

The structure is based on the Praxis exams, and I am not sure of the Praxis licensing so I have ommited all their text.

The GACE exam (the teacher exam I will be taking), has a somewhat open license that makes the text in it available for educators -- which is what we are. It is more generalized than the Praxis framework, and without detail, but I will include it anyway to help the structure of middle school science page.

I really do need collaborators, and I am not sure how to find them. I have written an invitation for teachers to join; here is the link: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddk32zv4_420dvkwqw

Thank you
Thank you for the warm welcome Yourdeadin 17:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)yourdeadin

Image Redirects prohibited?
Hi JW. I see that you've undone the image redirects we put on to the Technical writing course.

Is there a reason for your prohibition? Is there a page somewhere that details all such "rules"?

Thank you,

80.95.102.226 10:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I've also been undoing some of these redirects. Whether or not it is against policy, I wonder what you're trying to achieve? Your redirects simply prevent the images being used or viewed. Perhaps you could let us know what you are trying to do? McCormack 10:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see the discussion at User talk:AlistairReece and User talk:AlistairReece. All pages in the "Image:" namespace should contain information about the origin of the media file and how it is licensed for re-use....holding this information is the only purpose for these pages. Community members frequently look at this information about media files. It is disruptive to redirect such pages to pages that do not have the author/copyright/license information. --JWSchmidt 14:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

namespaces
Hey there, I have made a suggestion on wiki 101 regarding namespaces and would really appreciate your feedback. Cheers AlistairReece 14:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

What is AD?
It's ad, as in advertising. I wasn't able to access stuff on the ad-supported site, I think. I don't have the links right now for the (wikimania) sessions. Historybuff 18:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

editing
how come i can edit your profile page.
 * Because this is a wiki (changes can also be undone, see here). Also, if you edit others user pages this is seen as not polite. And please do not forget to sign your posts, so you will get faster responses. Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 08:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In my case, I invite others to edit my user pages. --JWSchmidt 15:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Modern Greek
Hi I think I can help some interested to learn modern greek I am a native speaker tell me what I can do to help.--ZaDiak 19:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I like your idea I know what to do to make use of it but the users must know a bit Greek and then we should make use of your idea. Bellow I tell you how we can make use of your idea. The greek wikiversity is under construction maybe they can learn and help a bit also the whole plan by translating from English to Greek.--ZaDiak


 * I like the idea of having a page here at this Wikiversity with suggested "trips to places where Greek is spoken". Students could be invited to help with translation projects, they could be sent on "trips to Greek websites" and asked to write 'travel reports" about what they find, they might be directed to chat channels where they can interact with Greek speakers. --JWSchmidt 21:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah very good idea I think it would be very good.

Linux Programming
Yes and no. It would focus on languages, toolkits, APIs, etc. that are predominantly used on Linux (e.g. GTK+, Qt) instead of languages, toolkits, APIs, etc. that are not just used on Linux, but other OSes as well (e.g. OpenGL). Cybiko123 02:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)