User talk:Jaredscribe/Students Union of Substitute Teachers and Adjunct Faculty

Challenging assumptions and warning against disservice to students
Not knowing anything about this particular strike, it's generally the case that crossing the picket line defeats the purpose. Low salaries do not attract talent, so it strikes me as rather a disservice to students in the medium and long term. The metaphor between a union and a monopoly is a false equivalence, likewise the metaphor between knowledge and goods. Teachers provide a service, namely that of curating and presenting knowledge. This takes a certain amount of skill and background knowledge in separating relevant from irrelevant, emphasizing important points and making useful assignments. Even many college professors (usually adjuncts teaching undergraduate courses) do not have much a knack for composing instructive assignments or separating the relevant from the irrelevant. Just my two cents. AP295 (discuss • contribs
 * Thanks for your thoughtful reply,  I'm surprised and happy that your're here, since I haven't even published the link yet! Kind Regards, Jaredscribe (discuss • contribs) 19:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link for the 'civilian responses'? The medical/economic metaphors are examples of Wooden language, so they caught my eye. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 20:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Unions exist to defend labor. If a strike can be undermined by simply hiring new workers or substitutes the entire purpose is defeated. The equivalence is false not because of a goods/services distinction, but because it's dishonest to conflate organized labor with a business monopoly. Or rather, it's a bad metaphor and evades the issue of whether or not the union's requests are reasonable. At any rate, I don't have a dog in this fight but the rhetoric seems crude. AP295 (discuss • contribs)
 * Thanks again, you're right that it evades the issue of whether the union's requests are reasonable .. those are already asked and answered in this case, you are free to research the sources cited and expand the articles coverage of what the Oregonian and other reliable neutral sources have to say about that.  The related (or rather cognate) issue is whether or not the monopoly has abused its power.   natural monopoly does exist in certain industries;  I'm not sure this is one of them.  While you were writing this, I was addressing this and your other accusations in the article itself, please read it again and tell me what you think.  Let's take some time off to read each other's work.  I'm leaving for a few hours, and might not be back until sunday.   Although your accusation of false equivalence is valid (not accurate, in my opinion, but it is a valid objection), your accusation of "dishonest" is I think not.  I am making this analysis in good faith. =>
 * Students are not compensated for their creative labor, their time, their homework. Students have every right to organize and demand better teaching, administration, curriculum, or even award themselves basic income out of the district's budget, as long as teachers are getting averge $87,000/year.   Students should have a right to volunteer teach, and in exceptional circumstances, to disrupt the class of an absentee or incompetent teacher, and to start teaching the class themselves.  I don't see why paid government employees should have exclusive right to "set curriculum", or "assign work", or "give grades".  Regards, Jaredscribe (discuss • contribs) 22:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * All right then, you have my assumption of good faith, for the time being. Consider though that think-of-the-children cajolery is quite often used dishonestly. Additionally, grade school students don't teach because most of them don't know what they're doing. The idea of a stipend for each student is interesting though. You seem to be implying that $87,000 is too high a salary, without coming right out and saying it. In the United States, budgetary problems are, at least partly, a consequence of monetary problems. I have a short essay on that topic. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 00:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)