User talk:Jarrokam/Emergent Phenomena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TerTgDEgUE

In depth rethinking

Rename == This does not appear to be an article about Emergence generically, such as Emergence, but rather is more specific, and should either be renamed or moved to a subpage of a larger project. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:37, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I cannot access change... If "Precedence & Emergence" satisfies policy kindly rename ...


 * Oh and because I'm dyslexic, I see no difference between old and new
 * so I see no changes!...




 * Emergence of what? Precedence of what? That seems to be the missing information here. For example, emergence is a term commonly applied to insects, as in Pupa. Since the term can be applied to a variety of different subjects, the title of this article needs subject clarification.
 * There is no "change" option. The 'Move" menu is used to rename articles. I'd be happy to rename it once there is consensus on what the new name should be. Thanks!
 * Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 04:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Renaming - Title or article?
Fundamental is used with a specific meaning. If one considers a river and water molecules of which that river is made, while we cannot see those molecules we would say that they bear a fundamental reality. The river does not have this fundamental existence. Even though we can see, feel, smell, drink, swim and bathe in it, its existence is said to be emergent - not fundamental. In this, at least, we are consistent. Our consciousness is also emergent. An emergent phenomenon is a result that could not have been predicted in spite of a thorough inventory of all the system’s individual parts and interactions understood to exist between them. R Buckminster Fuller called it "Synergy". It follows then that we too have no fundamental existence... yet, here we are!

This from 'Semiotic Paradigm' I am referring to a topic not understood that is fundamental to our shared reality yet, remains transparent to our experience because it is the ether or Higgs field of our experience giving reality its mass - if you will. Can you suggest one or two words that this article could "move" to?


 * I've read the article several times, and although it is not quite clear to me what it is about the emergence of, it is clear that it is not about emergence as described at Emergence. It may be about the emergence of something, or of several things, or perhaps of everything. For this reason, calling it emergence as a main page is inaccurate.
 * As an essay, the best place for it may be User:Jarrokam/Emergence. Otherwise, it needs either a more descriptive title, or to be moved as a subpage of a more general introductory learning project that would help users understand the context of emergence you are seeking to address. Please define your subject, or define the context you believe the article would best relate to. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:57, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Based on a response from Jarrokam off-wiki, I am moving the article to user space until the resource is closer to completion. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:53, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Response
If you might be a ‘tinsy' more accommodating: you obviously understand the Wiki systems. I do not. You refer in text to operations invisible to me. I do recognize ‘form’ letters and I realize that it would be more trouble, but if you could be more specific [link perhaps?] with simple goto instruction as to where this discussion page is found… Jarrokam [dyslexics of the world untie!]

While I understand your loyalty to Wikipedia in a quick Google search here are just a few examples of references that would tend to support my view that this essay deserves to be found when the search function is asked to provide information on 'emergence':

http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Emergence.html

http://kwelos.tripod.com/emergent.htm

http://www.infres.enst.fr/~jld/papers/Dessalles_95111402.pdf

http://www.thwink.org/sustain/glossary/EmergentBehavior.htm

http://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/engaging-emergence-table-of-contents/part-i-the-nature-of-emergence/chapter-1-what-is-emergence/

http://cadia.ru.is/wiki/_media/public:vincedarely-emergence_alife.pdf

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/properties-emergent/

http://www.inclusional-research.org/comparisons4.php

www.ini.uzh.ch/admin/extras/doc_get.php?id=41950


 * No, the evidence you have provided supports my concern that the page was named incorrectly. Five of the nine resources refer to emergent phenomena rather than emergence. The page has been moved to Emergent Phenomena based on evidence provided. Let me know if you have any other questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

May 4, 2016 Additions included ERIC VERLINDE and his gravity as entropic force. I first put the english lecture at Upsalla but to avoid copyright issue replaced it with his personal explanation in subtitled english.

Placing all the author's in subspace of Physics/Essays?
What do you think of placing all of the author's essays under Physics/Essays/Jarrokam/?Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 03:06, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't think this essay is relevant to the study of physics. In fact, I'm not certain it is relevant to any academic field. While it mentions some concepts from scientific studies such as physics and cosmology, it lacks the rigor expected of those disciplines. Some parts of the essay are practically nonsensical from a scientific perspective. (For example, the argument that "If we assume emergent beings, is it not fair to infer transcendental beings?" sounds like it would be much more at home in a religious sermon than a scientific essay.) Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 04:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Guy vandegrift: User space. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)