User talk:La comadreja/Archive '09-'10

GPCR Project

 * To Graeme: Cool! Where is your book and how is it going?  At the moment, I've been focusing on the Gene Duplication Project started a while back.  I'm trying to finish as much as I can before school starts, so that is taking up my time--the time that isn't being spent on administrative stuff like getting vaccination forms in order and registering for classes, etc., etc.  By the way, I would very much appreciate if you found the online sites where I can download complete genome sequences.  A place to start is National Center for Biotechnology Information.  I'm especially interested in the genomes of species that were not studied by Fredriksson and Schioth 2005.  --AFriedman 15:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so the species that Fredriksson and Schioth (2005) studied were:
 * Mouse
 * Human
 * Takifugu Rubripes
 * Danis Rerio
 * Caenorhabitis Elegans
 * Caenorhabitis Briggae
 * Drosophila Melanogaster
 * Anophales Gambiae
 * Aribidopsis Thaliena
 * Dryza Sativa
 * Schizosacharomyces Pombe
 * Sacharomyces Ceroversiae
 * Plasmodian Falceparesia
 * Ciona Intestinalis
 * Ciona Savigriyi

Note no results were reported for the last two. I think they were used as controls are they perhaps parammecium?--Graeme E. Smith 03:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Some species that are complete enough to show up for COR include:
 * Encephalitzoon Curiculi
 * Pan Troglodytes
 * Canis Familiaris
 * Rattus Norvegieus
 * Magnaporda Grisea
 * Neurospral crasia

Some species that have got past build 1 include:
 * Plants
 * Populus trichocampa
 * Vilbis Vinifera
 * Algae
 * Chalmydomonas reinhardti
 * Ostreococcus Fucinarius
 * Guillardia Theta
 * Hemistonia andersonii
 * Moss
 * Physocomitrella Pateus
 * Insects
 * Acythosiphno Pisen
 * Apis Mellifera
 * Drosophila pseudoobscura
 * Nasonia vitripennes
 * Tribdium Castanean
 * ehcinoderm
 * strongylocentrofus purpuratus
 * Chridaria
 * Hydra Mangipapillata
 * Protozoa
 * Babesia Bovis
 * Cryptospandium hominis
 * Cryptospandium parvum
 * Dictyostellium discoideum
 * Leishmania Braziliensis
 * Lieshmania infantium
 * Lieshmania major
 * Parmecium tetrarella
 * Plasmodium Falciparia
 * Plasmodium Yoelii
 * Tetrahymena Thremaphila
 * Theileria parva
 * Triconas Vaginalis
 * Trpanonosom Brucoi
 * Marsupials
 * monodelphia domestica
 * Monotremes
 * Omithorhynchius anatinus
 * Other mamals
 * Bos Taurus
 * Equus Cabellus
 * Sus Crofa
 * other vertebrates
 * Gallus Gallus
 * Taeniopygia guttata
 * some species I forget which genus they are in Yeasts?
 * Aspergillus Clavitus
 * Aspergillus Fumigatus
 * Aspergillus Niger
 * Candida Glaborata
 * Cryptococcus necformana
 * Deberyomyces hansenii
 * Eremythecuim gossypi
 * Gibborella zeae
 * Kluyveromyces Lactis
 * Neurospora Crassa
 * Pichia stiptis
 * Ustilagomaylis
 * Yanowia liptyfica

My spelling is probably attrocius, I was scribbling on a loose leaf of paper and I couldn't read my own handwriting.--Graeme E. Smith 04:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Wow.  Let me answer your questions and discuss this.  The Ciona species are actually marine invertebrates (sea squirts to be precise, which means they are a very unusual group of creatures arguably in the same phylum as ourselves) and that was a great question about them.  There were results in Fredriksson and Schioth (2005) about the Ciona genomes--for example, there were many fewer GPCR genes in Ciona than in, say, humans and a couple gene families had evolved in chordates since the split between Ciona and the rest of the chordates.  Were you meaning to ask something else when you said the Ciona genomes hadn't been reported?  Perhaps you meant about the non-animal species you'd listed above the Ciona.  There were no paramecia in the Fredriksson study (paramecia are a very specific taxon anyway) but there were representatives of Kingdoms Plantae, Fungi and Protista.  Of course, for the non-animal species, many fewer GPCRs were found.  Maybe from your point of view it isn't "of course," but the proteins from GPCRs are often expressed in the brain.


 * I have a couple questions myself. What is COR?  What URL(s) did you get your list of species from?  I notice it's not a complete list of species.  For example, I remember when the genome of the sea anemone Nematostella vectensis was published a couple years ago.  I don't see that genome in the list of species you gave me.  For your interest, the genomes of unusual invertebrates may be the best for my purposes.  They often aren't as well studied as the vertebrates, and given the fact that they have nervous systems whose structures can be quite different from those of well studied species, their GPCR families may show unexpected distributions.  It's very cool to be able to discuss this with you.  --AFriedman 03:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought I had already responded to this, but perhaps it got lost in the editor.

My assumption was that species with a build number were considered completed so I ignored the species that didn't have a build number. This information was available from PCBI just in some of the specialized databases associated with it. As for COR, I really don't know what COR is, but it can't be done until the genome is completed supposedly, so those were my first choices. The list is not meant to be exhaustive as much as to indicate which species NCBI thought were complete according to my admittedly naive reading of the database info. I think most of the data came from the gene map tool, but I can't be sure I remember it exactly.--Graeme E. Smith 05:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thanks so much! I'll try to get to this when I can.  --AFriedman 23:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm here. PCBI: That's the Penn Center for Bioinformatics at the U. of Pennsylvania.  Are you sure you mean that, or the NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information)?  Would it be possible to give me the specific URL where you found the list of species?  Better yet, do you have the URL of a nice reliable sequence of the human genome?  --AFriedman 15:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I used the URL for the National Center for Biotechnology Information site. All this alphabet soup gives me indigestion. If you look at the main page (That you gave me the URL for) there is I believe a number of side buttons including one for updates on the current state of the human genome, there being 3 or 4 different genome sequences to choose from. I believe that these different sequences reflect a couple of different subspecies or families of humans that reflect different ethnic somatypes, but I could be wrong. I believe once you know the name of the file, which you can find via the database, you can order the file from ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 * Thanks. In terms of humans, we haven't divided living humans into subspecies and in fact, the species is quite genetically homogeneous.  For example, chimps in the same group may be farther apart from one another, genetically speaking, than the two most divergent human groups in the world.  It's believed humans descended from relatively recent common ancestors.  --AFriedman 22:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That may be, but one reason that DNA sequencing is done, is when there is evidence of families of some small change from the normal DNA sequence, and they want their differences cataloged for some reason. An example is that one family that has lost most of the capability of speech. This is obviously an important reason to check to see what particular illeals they have that the rest of us that speak don't. A corporation for instance might want to copyright that particular set of Illeals so that they can sell kits to scientists that want to study DNA's relationship to speach. I understand something like that has been tried.--Graeme E. Smith 00:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you mean "family" as the individuals that are related to a particular person, but "family" is also a taxonomical term for the species that are related to a particular species. For example, there is the dog family (Canidae), the cat family (Felidae), the deer family (Cervidae), the crow and blue jay family (Corvidae), etc.  Just to give you a heads up.  --AFriedman 21:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes, that is exactly what I meant.... silly me, you keep expecting me to think like a biologist! --Graeme E. Smith 23:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you familiar with the materials in the Introduction to Taxonomy resource over here? Actually, you could go over the materials by merging that page with Introduction To Taxonomy.  --AFriedman 16:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Computer Science
Hello, its good to see there are still a few people around who are contributing to the field of computer science in this section of wikimedia. I have recently joined and have a passion for computer networking. At the same time I would also like to contribute to the perfection of computer science on this wiki. If there are any projects that I could work with you on I would be glad to see if I could help out. Lysander89 12:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I read your userpage and wholeheartedly agree with what you wrote about the need for more activity on Wikiversity. In my experience, many of the learning resources are partly developed by the occasional enthusiastic person who comes along, but rarely used.  Perhaps we could start small and simple first, and create a way to teach and certify people in a few basic computer skills.  My thought was to model something like this after WikiEducator's Learning4Content workshop, which is a free mini-course in how to use the wiki markup language.  If you're really working with a live group of people, that could only help.  What do you think?  --AFriedman 15:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

As someone who took a programming class in Turbo Pascal a while ago, I was quite interested in your Intro to Java class. On the one hand, it seems quite basic to me - but I want basic to get the syntax and also to start thinking in terms of the Object Oriented model. On the other hand, I cannot get even the Hello World program to compile. javac gives the error message "error: Class names, 'HelloWorld', are only accepted if annotation processing is explicitly requested". What am I missing? 10 June 2010

Graeme's Latest Book
I am working on a book, called "A New Glimpse of the Brain" and I am some 50+ pages into the data dump version. It is integrating my memory model, and mind model with my new 10 phase Attention Model in an attempt to update my basic theory to include the information I gleaned from Hiedo Braaks book.--Graeme E. Smith 23:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How is it going? --AFriedman 12:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Not especially well, I think there is a memory leak, in one of the programs that I just updated, because when I leave them on too long, I suddenly get a computer freeze, and I can't save my work. The last time that happened despite automatic updates it ate 10 pages of my book. grrrrr.--Graeme E. Smith 14:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, these things happen but I know you've been working hard. --AFriedman 15:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Genezistan's visit
Hi,

Thank you for the greetings. I wonder if I start uploading a resource the size of about a hypertext book on an ongoing basis. will my pages be protected? Regards

--Genezistan 17:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * What type of resource are you planning to upload? Which pages are you asking will be protected?  Unless the administrators change the settings otherwise, users are free to modify text on Wikiversity but the information will always be stored in "page history."  In my experience, unless someone does something egregious pages don't tend to change a whole lot in a short period of time.  --AFriedman 18:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I have a lot of unedited text that I need to put in an appropriate form. I thought of a hypertext book format, but I am still experimenting with the various options to structure my materials. Currently, I am engaged in the specification of my subject matter under REFLECTIVE THINKING. All suggestions are welcome. --Genezistan 05:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it original research, or is it work on existing research that you can document the original research that it came from? One of our sister projects Wikibooks, is oriented around developing text books but they are not at all happy about original research. The other thing, is do you want to retain authorship? Publishing on Wiki's usually extinguishes some of your authorship rights, to increase the rights of others to use your work. This is necessary because someone just editiing your text for spelling errors has in essence created a derivative product, and has some rights of authorship as a result. Wiki's involve a community effort, where editing of your work is expected. Though not nearly as much of a hotbed as Wikipedia for editing, Wikiversity users will find that random edits have been done on their pages, often only minorly improving them, and sometimes vandalism is done and has to be reversed. You can watch over this by setting your preferences (The preferences button is up on the top line of every page) so that the watchlist includes everything you create, edit, or move. Because of this, if you monitor your watchlist, you can usually see the changes in your data as they happen and determine for yourself if they are beneficial or malign. However because the community is a collaborative community, you might find your data being changed in ways that you do not like. At times this devolves down to reversion wars where people try to protect their own version of a page against another. Because the editing person has rights too, this is counter productive and frowned on by the Wiki-community. If you document your changes of others editing, and discuss why you make those changes on the associated talk page for the page you are editing, you can often head off a reversion war and turn it into a discussion, and possible later collaboration or fork of the page that takes care of your reasons for rejecting the edit. Although Wikiversity is not oriented around publishing, one of the reasons it forked from Wikibooks, is the issue of Original Research, so I think there is an intention that at some level it will be possible to publish here.
 * As someone who is active on both Wikibooks and Wikiversity please contact me, if you want to discuss the nature of Wiki publishing.


 * There is another factor you should understand, and that is the upload limitations of Wiki's. Because of the support of the FreeSoftwareFoundation in the early development of Wiki's, there is a tendency to demand that data be uploaded in a format that is not a proprietary file format. This means that most word processor data files are not allowed to be uploaded. It is possible to upload PDF files, as images of your text processing files, but those are not editable being in essence an image of the file. If your stated purpose is to upload reams of text files and edit them into some web-ready form, Wiki-language might be the answer, but how you upload them might be the question.--Graeme E. Smith 14:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Follow up
Thanks for contacting me again. I have decided to use Wikiversity and I have created two entries: Multidisciplinary Studies and Reflective Thinking. None seems to have read or commented it as yet. But it would be nice to see/read some reaction before I go any further. Regards, Genezistan 07:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've looked at your course materials (the two pages with the names you wrote above)? I think they are very valuable contributions to Wikiversity.  I suggest you get in touch with the people involved in Wikipedia's w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy and the several Wikipedia WikiProjects that begin with "WikiProject Education."  WikiProjects are not solely dedicated to improving Wikipedia but also extend to other Wikimedia projects, even though many people act otherwise.  Perhaps you would be able to bring the Wikipedia content developers over here, where they can create different types of resources.  In terms of people finding the projects, multidisciplinary studies are also known as "interdisciplinary studies" and are related to the concept of consilience.  An especially strong section is your description of the problems that need an interdisciplinary approach.  I couldn't understand the rationale behind your reflective thinking page as well, and perhaps you could write a similar section in that page (why people need reflective thinking).  --AFriedman 02:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

and again
Thanks for that link to consilience and the request for explanation why we need reflective thinking dealt with separately. Check out my latest jottings.

11:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Where can I find the materials you want to show me? --AFriedman 18:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Glimpse is going into its second draft
Hi Anne, I thought I would drop you a line, and let you know I haven't forgotten you, I just got really busy, what with the program I am taking 4 days a week, the club I formed on the 5th, and my own research, which I cramp in edgewise wherever I can. One aspect of my illness that I am looking at, is the loss of function, associated with my mental health, a problem that is cumulative and can be either blamed on stress, or psychosis. (some disorders suggest there might be a relationship where high stress creates psychosis). Anyway, knowing your interest in DNA, I wondered if you were at all familiar with the 200 locations in the human genome that are repetitive, suggesting the need for multiple copies of a single protein. Evidence seems to suggest that the extended time such sections of DNA remain unzipped, makes them more prone to deletions and duplications. In a current model of Autism, it has been proposed that these proteins might have a regulatory role, and that therefore if there is a duplication or deletion the biochemical pathway they regulate, may quit working. If this is true for all of the 200 locations then they may offer us a unique peak into up to 100 diseases, many of which are polygenetic, and therefore translate out into spectrums of similar diseases, that depend on different genetic errors many of which are single point mutations, but which have a low risk factor on their own, but which can in combination cause a major disease. I really like the Stanford Laboratories approach to finding treatments, they have been really effective at finding treatments for the Autistic Spectrum Disorders Fragile X and Rhetts syndome, and have a hope of stretching that success into other disease mechanisms of Autism. I wish the MIT center was as far along, as they are studying a disease that my symptoms are related to the Bipolar and Schizophrenic Spectrum.--Graeme E. Smith 02:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello again! I haven't forgotten about you, either.  I'm happy to see that you seem to be going in a good direction in the real world, even if I miss you on this site.  I've not been on as much, either.  I had a slipped disk this fall, which made my editing much more disorganized.  I've also been spending time contributing to articles on Wikipedia, which has more of a community than Wikiversity even if its mission doesn't excite me quite as much.  Well, it's one of the most popular sites on the web so obviously it's done more than Wikiversity, but maybe with some different ideas Wikiversity or a related site would be a more happening place.  Wouldn't it be wonderful to remove the geographic, financial and administrative obstacles to getting a good education.  Oh, in real life I've gotten into grad school, too, and will be starting next semester.  Hopefully I'll still have time to be AFriedman and think about this particular research program and WV.  I'll be in grad school for computer science, so the field is not that far off :)  Happy U.S. Thanksgiving even though you're a bit north of the fray :)  --AFriedman 03:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite of HMemMW now called Memory Mechanics
Long time no squawk I see evidence that you are busy. You might want to look at Portal:GreySmith Institute which I have changed according to a refactoring I did for business planning reasons. Instead of a topical index, I have moved to a Laboratory based index. You are mentioned under the GENOME lab but I haven't linked you to it yet. Recently the Editor at FairHaven books, has offered me the opportunity to make the Media Lab an imprint under his publishing banner. With his help, I am rewriting How Memory May Work under the title Memory Mechanics for publication sometime this year. It will be available under POD as well as from me directly.--Graeme E. Smith 13:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! How are you?  Congrats about getting your book published.  Just to let you know, I've been asked to move my Userpage to mainspace so it would lend itself to broader participation.  I'm also thinking about taking my name off as its owner.  So one of these days, I'll be making those changes.  --AFriedman (talk) 03:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not published yet, I am only up to chapter six in the rewrite. Ladyofshallot is helping me bend it into shape.--Graeme E. Smith 03:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Very impressive on her part. What is POD, BTW?  --AFriedman (talk) 05:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

POD or Print on Demand is the new way to do small runs of books. Essentially you send the catalog to the booksellers, and they order the books they want, and a central printer prints them off for you as they are ordered. If I go with the current publisher they will be distributed Internationally by Ingraham booksellers.--Graeme E. Smith 14:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

mentorship
ping It looks like Jtneill might be on vacation. We can discuss co-mentoring with him when he gets back. --mikeu talk 15:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, and thanks for your strong support. I think that both of you are awesome users, and I'm happy to be mentored by either one.  Jtneill was the User who originally welcomed me to Wikiversity, which I still haven't forgotten and which I very much appreciate.  I agree that we should discuss mentoring when Jtneill gets back, which is why I'm not ready to post on my custodian mentorship request page.  --AFriedman 21:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Anne, yes, of course I'm more than happy to support your nomination and mentor/co-mentor for custodianship - I'll be back from vacation around 21 Jan 2010 if that suits - or if you wish to get underway sooner, maybe mu301 can help out. Sincerely, -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and hope you are having a happy vacation. I'll be busier starting Jan. 19, when my new semester starts, so my thought is that Mike could be the main supervisor for the first half of my probationary period, and you for the second half? --AFriedman 15:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fine, with me, I'll be around intermittently, so feel free to let me know if I can do anything. Sincerely, James. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm about to post on my RfA about this. Also, happy New Year. --AFriedman 18:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You've got buttons :-). Thanks for volunteering! --SB_Johnny talk 18:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --AFriedman (talk) 03:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

This all sounds good to me. Good luck with the mop! --mikeu talk 21:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Congrats and good luck. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Testing the administrative tools
Hi, I've created an alternate "sandbox" account to test the tools. So far, I've tested "block" and "unblock." I just realized I made policy mistakes re: some of the edit summaries I left when blocking the "sandbox" account. I apologize. In the future, I will try to be more professional when experimenting with the tools. --AFriedman (talk) 06:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's one way to find practical admin tasks that need to be (e.g., speedy deletion, categorisation, etc.) - List of new pages - -- Jtneill - Talk - c 21:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

G'day
Hi - FYI, I'm back around if I can do anything. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 21:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Full adminship
I wanted to remind you that your probational period for mentorship is over, and you can apply for full custodianship now (I think you'll do fine) after you nudge your mentors about it. If you were curious you made 3 blocks and 1 deletion during this time. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --AFriedman (talk) 16:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt - I've nominated you for full custodianship - Candidates for Custodianship/AFriedman - this should be available for comment and voting for 5 days - keep an eye out so you can answer any questions. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to you too! --AFriedman (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that the nomination for full custodianship lead to extension for 4 more weeks. I will be around in that time and am happy to help. I think the consensus is a good feeling for custodianship, but some more experience is suggested. What goals would you set yourself for this next period? You might also consider participating in How to be a Wikimedia sysop. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for continuing to be my mentor. For now, my goal is to finish a couple of real-life assignments. When I'm done with those, I'll have a better idea of what and how much I can do for Wikiversity in the next few weeks. --AFriedman (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could give an update - what have you been up to since the extension to your probationary custodianship on Wikiversity? How do you think you've addressed the concerns raised? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Since I joined the Welcoming Committee a while back, I've welcomed a number of new Users to Wikiversity. This has been my focus of activity for the past several weeks, and I've also contributed to the pages they are working on. See User talk:JenniferCarrington, User talk:Charles Jeffrey Danoff (he created the page Reviewing My Semester with the FUN WITH ENGLISH 7A & 8A Textbooks with my feedback and assistance), User talk:Calusarul, User talk:Silwilhith, etc. I don't have more than small increments of time right now, and expect restructuring my research pages to take several hours. I should have time to do this after I'm done with midterms. --AFriedman (talk) 17:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had a quick look over recent edits. My concern with re-nominating now(ish) is that the closure of the recent nomination emphasised more time to allow you to demonstrate real-world use of the custodian tools and for the community to get comfortable with that. Welcoming is a desirable and valuable activity, but I'm not sure that that is necessarily sufficient to guarantee a successful renomination. There is no hurry. If you're busy, we can leave this until after mid-term exams. Would that help? I'm happy to provide more specific directions about how to/where/what in terms of admin work if/when that would help. That's just my personal advice at this point. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 21:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Jtneill, that's exactly what I was saying when I left the message to you on your Talk page. There are still 2 weeks left in the probationary period you and mikeu had in mind for me. The end of the probationary period is about when I'll be done with midterm exams. My workload varies day by day and soon after March 11 would be best for me, in terms of starting the renomination process. Is this what you had in mind as well?

Also, thanks for letting me know that there is a "List of new pages" on the wiki. Where can I find this list? --AFriedman (talk) 21:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, after March 11 is fine with me (but really, whenever you/we feel ready). For new pages, see Special:NewPages. There's also some handy links: Administering Wikiversity. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful info. --AFriedman (talk) 22:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * How did your mid-terms go? How do you feel now about your probationary custodianship? I'm thinking that we should move towards closure, assuming that you are satisfied that your pattern of edits / use of tools during the probationary period fairly represents your "way". Or is there anything else you'd like to take more time to do or ask or learn about? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Jtneill, thanks for asking. I'm getting a handle on my work right now (have more of that than I thought I would) and maybe a week and a half or so from now would be a good time to go up for full custodianship. Or else mid- to late May, when my semester is over. That was quite some drama with Jimbo, the pages he didn't like and SB Johnny. I think there's consensus that we need a clearer policy about research that disrupts other people. Perhaps this could be a community discussion that everyone sees on the top of the screen, like they see your election? I don't know how to do that. I'm concerned that people will forget about the disruptions now that the discussion of Privatemusings and Thekohser is dying down. I'm also seeing a trend toward more intensive supervision of research and would like to see something more formalized being created. Wikiversity may be one step closer to having that critical mass of resources and manpower that would make it able to draw even more people. But we need to take that step. --AFriedman (talk) 03:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! I don't think you will have a problem to get through for the second time, so personally I would suggest not to delay it until May :) The page you were asking for is the sitenotice.--Gbaor 08:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've gone ahead now and nominated you for full adminship - - discussion and voting is open for 5 days. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this. I'll be away for the next few days and so will not have as much access to the computer, but I look forward to the discussion. --AFriedman (talk) 17:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Your userspace - OR
Hi! Just a short note that came up during the discussion on the "custodian page". I think you should move pages like User:AFriedman/Research/GPCR to the mainspace. This way more people can find them, and eventually join. --Gbaor 14:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd been thinking the same thing, especially with my interest in making my Userpage more interactive. I'll try to do this soon.  I'd like your feedback, as I revisit my Userpage, about how the OR could be made more professional.  --AFriedman (talk) 04:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I've been very busy this semester, but expect to have time to redo my research after I'm done with midterm exams. --AFriedman (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Editing talk comments by others
I'd advise caution in editing the talk page comments of others: e.g., http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACommunity_Review%2FWikimedia_Ethics%3AEthical_Breaching_Experiments&action=historysubmit&diff=544281&oldid=544276 - I've rolled this back because this page is complicated enough without people editing others' comments. By all means, add your views though and sign them. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 08:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the advice. I wouldn't normally do this, but JacobFrank is my alternate account.  BTW, what are your thoughts about making Jacob Frank (and User:JacobFrank) one of Wikiversity's mascots?  He seems to have more educational value than the current mascots, given that he was a real person and he illuminates several aspects of European history and philosophy.  Then we could tie him and WV in to the relevant articles and Wikipedia's WikiProjects that he would be part of.  --AFriedman (talk) 14:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK... although it just makes it hard/confusing to follow your edit history - maybe include mention of all your accounts on your AFriedman user page. Feel free to make that Jacob Frank a mascot, although I think to date we've tended to avoid overlap with "real" people. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm about to respond on your Talk page. --AFriedman (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Research process
Research is a process that people go through when searching for answers. Rather than being a guideline or policy the page is intended to be a process, just like it says in the page name. Research often involves asking questions and looking for answers, in that same spirit the page is intended to be in the form of questions preceded by answers. Didn't really hit me until today that in a way the research process page is itself demonstrating the research process and demonstrates how research is often reported in written form, making the page potentially its own example. -- dark lama  22:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting thought and one that definitely reveals a new way of reading the "Research Process" page. I never thought of that before.  --AFriedman (talk) 05:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Blocking of User:JacobFrank
I'm trying to make sense of Special:Block/JacobFrank in part because the unblock request template currently used on his talk page is making it show in Category:Requests for unblock. Could you wind up the blocking experiments with this account and assuming its to be left unblocked, then remove the unblock request template? Note: The more clear your section headings and edit summaries, the easy it is for others to follow your edits. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I took the unblock request template off his Talk page. He shouldn't be in the category anymore.  I don't plan on blocking him again.  --AFriedman (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Engineering at Udayana University
Why not transwiki this page to en:wp and delete? –SJ + >
 * Transwiki to Wikipedia is an interesting thought that IMO would work, since this information is in encyclopedia format (and especially since it's referenced). However, I also think that information about brick and mortar universities is within the scope of Wikiversity, especially if our Users and editors are affiliated with these universities.  It certainly has the potential to provide contextual and logistical information about our learning resources.  For example, Jtneill and Leighblackall are apparently affiliated with the U. of Canberra and coordinate some of their real-world collaborations here.  Should we delete the pages they create about that University?  Absolutely not.  IMO, the same goes with this page.  Furthermore, the universities themselves are also a subject of study.  So as far as WV is concerned, I think the page should be kept.  --AFriedman (talk) 02:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikiversity slides
I was very interested in your Wikiversity slides - great work - thankyou. Would you also release the actual slides so that these could be used by others - e.g., on slideshare? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I never heard of Slideshare, but I'll probably be signing up in the near future.  Do you need the slides for a specific date or purpose?  Also, the custodian elections have been going on for a while, so when do you think they should be closed?  --AFriedman (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No hurry for the slides. It would be good to add this resource to Publicity. Re nominations, I think we're making sure that they are not rushed but I imagine yours could be closed soon. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 08:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Consider this..
..a vote for your custodianship position. --JohnBessatalk 15:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

question about my original research
AFriedman,

hi. been slowly expanding my research project, focusing now on uploading the lessons I am using this semester. Still want to get the old ones up, but putting the current ones as I do them gels better with my workflow for now.

I have a question, I have been adding lesson reviews as you can see in this lesson. I have been thinking though, do those really add value? Is that just distracting from the resource itself? Is it too personal when this is supposed to be something for many people?

I find them useful, which is why I first upload them to [my wiki] but just seperating resources by version does not seem appropriate for Wikiversity, the reviews also seem inappropriate for some reason.

If and when you have time, I'd be interested in your thoughts.

--Charles Jeffrey Danoff 10:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Welcome aboard - Full custodian
Hi AFriedman. You are now a "full custodian" (sorry about the delay - I think you might have the record for having undergone the longest Wikiversity custodian apprenticeship!).

Please add yourself to Support staff, and put WV:RCA on your watchlist.

I hope all is well. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of [[File:WikiversityPresentation02-2010.pdf]]
Speedy deletion was requested of this file and you were not notified, seems to be common around here. In any case, would you please attend to the license issue and remove the tag, or delete the file, since you have the tool to do that? I'm trying to clean up pending requests for speedy deletion. Thanks. --Abd 14:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Improving Technical Wiki Educational Materials
Hi AFriedman,

I have recently posted some thoughts on ways that I believe we can (and MUST!) improve the technical educational materials on WikiVersity. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Improving_Technical_Topics_At_Wikiversity

I heard that you may have given a short talk on similar ideas. Do you know if there is a video available of that talk? Do you have any thoughts/comments about these things?

Daviddoria 13:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have responded on your Talk page. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw that you may be joining the A1 panel at the NYU meetup! Hopefully that works out. If not, I'm in NYC all the time (a short bus ride from Albany) so we can meet for lunch or something. I am certainly not formally trained in the ideas that I'm pushing here - my research is on 3D data analysis - but a lot can be gained simply by keeping a watchful eye while going through the process and trying to use and make wiki content. This is nothing to do with wiki-research, but I have outlined some problems with reallife research over the past few months here http://daviddoria.blogspot.com/ if you are interested. I look forward to meeting you to discuss some of these things. Daviddoria 12:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi David, Turns out I'll only be around on Sun. for the meetup. Will you be there? I'm also not sure when during the day I'll be able to come. I think it would be good to get together for lunch or something. I like some of your ideas about research reform. It's true that the system, for all that it's capable of doing, could really be improved. Hope to see you soon. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 03:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Congradulations!
I hope it is all you hope.--JohnBessatalk 20:31, 18 June 2010 (UTC)