User talk:Leutha/e4D Project 1/Research management

How is this talk page different from an ordinary talk page, which ordinarily is about "management" of the resource or discussing it? I can tell you what this will do. It cuts off notification of management issues from the watchlist of anyone who has edited the page and not the attached resource subpage. I have used a similar device to suppress watchlist noise, where that was needed. There is no such need here. You are inventing new and unnecessary processes, for what purpose? The special problem of this resource that requires or suggests using something completely different from what is normally expected is? --Abd (discuss • contribs) 00:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This page is an ordinary talk page which is about research management, that's all. With the template, it unifies research management issues across all subpages. Leutha (discuss • contribs) 00:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you have missed the point. All resources Talk pages are (in part) about resource management. How does this resource have special needs, requiring such unification? The template is Template:Managed research project which is transcluded through Template:E4D/nav which is collapsed, so the instruction about discussion is not visible unless the user opens the collapse. The "Managed" template itself, if used on a top-level page, sets up potential violation of neutrality policy, but I handled that by adding documentation to the template, but that would preclude the usage on a top-level page. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 16:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I have edited Template:E4D/nav to solve the display issue. That does not resolve the basic issue of declaring this a managed resource with special discussion rules. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Please do not make any more edits, thank you. This page is also part of the project and as such included in that management. Leutha (discuss • contribs) 20:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And that is a clear demonstration of the bankruptcy of how this concept is being applied. Was the change useful? Did it damage your content? The whole point of the template is to discourage editing without discussion, and being invisible, it won't do that. Do not attempt to own Template space. If you want a managed template, create it as a subpage of a managed project. It may then be covered by the same request. It will work exactly the same. There are ways to create a managed project. You are not following them.
 * What you did, in response, was to move the page and template. Why? E4D Project 1 is still a lousy name, merely more complicated. I can see why you might do this, but, in fact, you'd get more mileage if you'd discuss the change first. All it's doing is complicating things without resolving the issues. What would be the practical difference between E4D Project 1 and E4D/Project 1? Or many other possibilities that are more informative? --Abd (discuss • contribs) 22:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)