User talk:Martin Lenoar

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your edit
I don't understand this edit. Please revert that edit and put your new content on another page, possible User:Martin Lenoar/Research. --JWSchmidt 03:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I know that it can be difficult to understand how to participate at a wiki website. If you are new to wiki, then you might want to start at Introduction to Wikiversity or Introduction. I suggest that you click on this link: User:Martin Lenoar/Research and then add your information about 'new knowledge' to that page. That would be a good start, then other people will be able to help you more. --JWSchmidt 16:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Action/Reaction Theory
Thanks for putting you information about Action/Reaction Theory into the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page. I have begun to read that page. What you wrote reminds me of some of the ideas of Terrence Deacon that can be found in his book The Symbolic Species. Also, I wonder if you ever read any of the work of Joseph Campbell. Parts of what you wrote in User:Martin Lenoar/Research reminds me of ideas that Joseph Campbell discussed in one of his books. One of the useful features of wiki webpages is the page section. I think it would be useful to divide the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page into several page sections. What do you think? --JWSchmidt 04:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It sounds like you and I might have similar ideas about Artificial Intelligence. It seems like the easiest path towards Artificial Intelligence is to first understand biological intelligence. I started a few page sections at User:Martin Lenoar/Research and I hope you did not mind my edits there. I suggest that you create more page sections so that no individual page section is very long. Also, for feedback, each page section can have a sub-section called "Discussion" that would facilitate feedback. Also, I think it is useful to provide some references, making connections to previously published work that is related to your own ideas. --JWSchmidt 00:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

If you expect people to read your ideas, it helps to make the webpage that holds your ideas into a readable page. I made some suggestions for how to help people read and respond to your ideas. This wiki is about collaborative learning, not just dumping a bunch of hard-to-read text on a webpage. We could make a second page (a copy) for your text that could be edited collaboratively, but if your position is that such collaboration is not welcome then I will just move on. --JWSchmidt 09:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You might benefit from looking at Help:Wikitext quick reference. If you pasted text from a word processor into the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page, then you could try this trick: in your word processor, replace all of the end of paragraph marks with    and line breaks with   . That will insert code for line breaks (  ) that functions on wiki webpages. You can place this text: at the top of the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page. That is a call to a template that will mark your page as not being available for editing. We can create a new page called Action-Reaction Theory where collaborative editing is allowed. We could link from the top of the Action-Reaction Theory page to the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page so that everyone will see the original version. --JWSchmidt 16:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Martin, I copy edited User:Martin Lenoar/Research to make it paragraph reasonably, added section headings so you got some kind of table of contents. Generally, the software will treat a single return/line feed from your word processor as if it were just a space. To separate paragraphs easily, just use two of these! Whenever you put one of the paragraph formatting commands in, such as * (bullet) or : (indent), or a section header (various numbers of = signs, on both sides of the header text), this will automatically separate a paragraph there. Use  to force a line feed with no added space. What you saw from the text above, "nowiki" tags, is used to stop the wiki software from seeing a command. I just used them to allow you to see the br command; without "nowiki," that would have caused an actual line feed/return. If you don't like my copy edit there, you can fix it or just undo it. (There are two edits, so you'd need two undos, or you can, in History, click on a version, Edit that version and save it, and you will be taking the page back, skipping all subsequent edits. I probably should have edited the mainspace page... but I haven't looked there yet. Good luck. --Abd 17:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Formatted version
This version of the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page is much easier to read."help me to reach my goal" At this point, it would be useful for you to put some information about yourself and your goals on the User:Martin Lenoar page. Some people use templates to provide information about themselves. I suggest you put a copy of your theory at a page such as Action-Reaction Theory, where I will be able to ask questions and provide feedback, section by section. Categories can be added and changed at any time, as needed. --JWSchmidt 04:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I've started a page at User:JWSchmidt/Martin where I am making some edits to a copy of the text from the User:Martin Lenoar/Research page. Could you provide glossary entries for CEM and UrParticle? I tried to provide some examples for elemental matter...please check those examples and add more examples if possible. --JWSchmidt 18:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

The User:JWSchmidt/Martin page is a subpage of my user page. You can start a page in the main namespace such as Action-Reaction Theory. A page in the main namespace could be placed in categories and linked to from directories and content development projects. --JWSchmidt 07:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikiversity
I understand what you said about "predefined help". Someone who comes to a wiki community and asks for help can take the help that is offered or they can reject it. This is a collaborative learning community. If you show little interest in collaborative learning then there is not much that other wiki participants can do with you.

If you feel that your contributions are 'new knowledge' then it might be that your ideas could go on a page in the main namespace and be placed in Category:Research.

The purpose of the 'school' namespace is to proved wiki pages where Wikiversity participants with shared interests can collaborate to develop Wikiversity content for specific subject areas. I understand why you say that A school for me is something where something is being tought which has been established and proven already", but wiki pages that have names starting with the "School:" prefix have a special purpose at Wikiversity as discussed at Schools.

You say "it does not have any projects or lessons", but it is easy to create a learning project for any topic. The easiest thing to do is just to add subsections to a page for discussion. For example, it would help me if you could provide some examples at User:JWSchmidt/Martin. Also, please respond at Discussion of terms in the glossary.

This is information that you could put on your user page: "I am not a critic but an observer. Which means I am standing outside and refer to what I see. Which includes if it works or not and why, but not if it is 'right' or 'wrong'. Therefore my observations are never personal or used to change the status quo. If somebody wants it this way, fine, but I reserve my right to stay outside." You can also make links from your user page to other wiki pages that you are interested in.--JWSchmidt 00:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Energy Signature
"Did you realise that if an energy signature can be found on smaller matter the way I propose that it would upset most of the teachings and theories which are accepted today?" I don't understand what you mean by "Energy Signature". I think it would be useful if you could give some more explicit examples of "energy signatures". The example of "natural oscillation frequencies" for glasses is a start, but there are existing theories for resonance in physical systems. For example, I think you should provide a specific example of what you mean by "energy signature" in a molecular system. I am working through the User:JWSchmidt/Martin and asking for clarification and examples. I think it would be best if you replied at User:JWSchmidt/Martin rather than on my talk page. --JWSchmidt 18:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

ACR
I'll try to find some time so I can look at ACR. Maybe Wikiversity needs a place for listing such pages that are in need of evaluation by others. --JWSchmidt 21:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Intuition on the Colloquium
I just want to say that there was so much in your statement that I will to have to hack it to pieces to get the meat out (tough nut), but I don't want to pollute your talk page, so I am putting it here on google docs. If you want, send an email, and I will make you a collaborator.--JohnBessatalk 19:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough
I appreciate that I may have changed the meaning of your writing by de-constructing it-- deconstruction is the first phase of wiki information construction. It is good to see ideas about collaboration here on Wv, and it exists, but usually spread out over time, making efforts solo, even if the page has various editors. Same is true at the WP for lesser pages. I think that solo efforts should optionally remain solo, and a way to preserve that is to put pages under your namespace, which, I have found does not affect SEO badly.

You are discovering the idiosyncrasies of the Wp, everyone seems manic -- could be the whole Internet. At the moment I am locked down in psychopathology for 4 more weeks, so I am not sure how much I can contribute. My writing will appear on Counseling, but I am having issues with that as well, as my program is counseling, but isn't counseling, if you know what I mean.

I should say that I am interested in protecting the Wp as a refuge for people who have been silenced on the WP, which happens especially as part of politics. --JohnBessatalk 20:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * John, please take your time. I have plenty.


 * I don't want to be hard on you but I do not think that we will get far. The same you said about my statement on the colloquium I could say about your answers. This is something I don't think many people realise: If it sounds odd to you what other people are saying then it is also true that what you are saying sounds odd to the other person. A sample would be "--deconstruction is the first phase of wiki information construction"? It might express exactly what you want to tell me, but for me it only raises more questions. E.g. when are you going to fit it together again, before or after you have made your judgment? Another sample: What is SEO standing for? You see I am not only new to WV but also to the Internet.
 * When I looked for a place on the Internet to offer my discovery then I first came across Wikipedia. I was told that they do not accept 'new knowledge' and was referred to Wikiversity. I thought that that was a wise policy when you are just trying to be an encyclopedia which is a lookup place for already accepted knowledge. But WV tries to give the impression that it is not like WP. But other that I am able to open a project and my own pages, there is no collaboration to help me with my discovery. I did not join WV to help to run WV, but I need some intuitive help (collaboration) from people which I thought are scientists. I thought that my discovery is important enough that it should be made known to the public so that it can be researched and evaluated faster then I can on my own. I ended up to be in the exact situation where I was before I joint WV. I could just simply have carried on at home. A age old problem, Newton did not even try to offer his discoveries until very late in his live. I wanted to persue mine solo too, until it offered possibilities nobody thinks are possible. Since I did not come to change WV I will just carry on to offer and hope, sadly like most of the soloists on WV, that somebody might take note (maybe with a little help).


 * If you are interested of what I am talking about then visit ACR. There might be even something for you as a psycologist: "Everything what makes a human is learned". I explained why this has to be on ACR/ACR&Creature. You might also enjoy the little story on User:JWSchmidt/Martin, "A real possibility". Which, I think, is a demonstration how easy somethings could be explained what is so fiercly disputed all over the world.


 * As I said, fair enough! SEO has a link on it, but I will tell you it's Internet fame and glory, the attention your writing gets.  Deconstruction is what we HAVE to do anyway, because the option is plagiarism.  I write about it in Wikiversity Studies, but title it Wikiology, where wiki byte code is complete deconstruction of prose into Headings, descriptors, and lists of bullets that have descriptors and links; prose is built from there.  It's all well thought out and concrete, just not enough time to impolement.  I am not a pscyhologist, but working on a counseling degree where my goal is a PhD in tribal community counseling for the natural natives (I live in Canada).


 * I am working on an example of deconstruction right now: a converstion with some microkernel hacks about the correct pathway for open and free OS development. This all has to pulled apart and turned into a flow chart of options: XNU (or OSX Darwin microk seems like the choice of choice, but has barriers:  Microkernel Project planning


 * --John[[Image:bessa66.png|12px]]Bessatalk 17:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)