User talk:MathXplore/2024/02

V509 Cassiopeiae
Hi MathXplore, just fyi: I would have deleted the page instead of moving it. It's part of ongoing xwiki vandalism using multiple IPs & accounts, e.g.. Best regards Johannnes89 (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you for the updates. I did not recognize the accounts and other IPs that you mentioned, so my decision is based on existing content and our policy (WV:CSD, which was established before my Wikiversity attendance and curatorship). The first part of our speedy deletion policy says "No educational objectives or discussion in history" (out-of-scope) and the others are examples of such cases (in other words, examples of out-of-scope materials). Problematic but educational content will usually go to WV:PROD or other cleanups rather than speedy deletion. The existing content was not enough to be an independent resource but may be used as an introductory part of a larger resource (in other words, smaller but maybe educational). Therefore, I considered as not a clear fit for our speedy deletion policy and proceeded with the cleanup. Please note that I can use suppress-redirect with my local permissions. This is the reason for my action. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Doesn't WV:CSD #6 (vandalism) apply, just like with the second page created by the same IP ? Anyway I just wanted to let you know in case this vandal continues to create similar pages on enwikiversity. Have a nice day! :) Johannnes89 (discuss • contribs) 14:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I usually declare vandalism based on the existing content (blatant violation of scope, offensive material etc.). The page refers to very basic definitions related to supernovas and black holes, which are possibly already covered with our materials at Category:Supernovae and Category:Black holes (I don't think our astronomy creators miss the basics). The content suggests a semi-educational attempt but possibly overlaps with our existing resources. Wikiversity's educational objective cannot be achieved by duplication, and any Wikimedia project (including Wikiversity) does not aim to be a mirror website. Therefore I declared this as "No research (educational) objectives or discussion in history" (out-of-scope). As global rollbacker and English Wikiversity curator, I am one of the many contributors opposing vandalism (and my curatorship is based on anti-vandalism efforts), but I never do that by expanding the definition of vandalism. But thanks to your information, we will be able to quickly respond to such issues. Again, thank you for the updates, and good luck at the stewards election. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 14:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to discuss page deletion policy
A discussion that might interest you has been started at Requests_for_Deletion. -- Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 18:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the invitation, but if I were you, I would just post a notice on Colloquium rather than sending individual invitations, this should be simpler. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 01:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Modular mathematics
Greetings, I do no think Pi/Real cosine function/Definition‎ belongs to course "Pi", and therefore, CourseCat does not seem to belong there. Rather the page is part of modular mathematics and uses a peculiar page naming scheme. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 08:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Should I switch to a topic category, or should I simply remove the category? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 08:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would be inclined to remove the category. There was a discussion about this modular mathematics in Colloquium (or elsewhere). Multiple people found the concept confusing. Things would be improved e.g. by placing at the beginning, and there was something like a proto-consensus for it. Perhaps we will do something in that direction. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 10:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅, reverted. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 11:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks and CourseCat
Thanks for all your work. I notice you often add the template "CourseCat" to my courses. What does that do? Should it be mentioned in the Creating Wikiversity courses course? Thanks! Lbeaumont (discuss • contribs) 13:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The template automatically adds a category based on the parent page. For example, if you add CourseCat to the subpages of Writing, then the template will automatically add Category:Writing to the subpages. It works as same as b:Template:BookCat at Wikibooks. I guess mentioning it in Creating Wikiversity Courses would be a good idea, but making suggestions on their talk page would be safer before the edits. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Where is this documented? (I created the course on creating Wikiversity courses). Lbeaumont (discuss • contribs) 12:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The documentation is Template:BookCat/doc. I hope this can help you. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 12:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, however that documentation does not (yet) help me. It does not mention CourseCat. Also, when I added CourseCat to the Cherishing Awe page it created a red link (which I have since resolved) and did not tag the sub pages. What am I doing wrong? Lbeaumont (discuss • contribs) 09:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You have to add the template to all subpages. Please note that CourseCat is equal to BookCat (CourseCat is a redirect to BookCat). MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 11:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Saltrabook
user:Saltrabook is writing a lot of related material on various pages. I don't feel like trying to judge their value, but to be safe, we should arrange them to be subpages of a single page. He seems to be ignoring both our efforts to discuss this with him.--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 06:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello. I agree that we should not judge anyone's value unless there is an urgent need to that. I also think that their creations should be arranged to be subpages of a single page, that is our standard practice. The remaining question is, "what should be the parent page?". The user has made various series since the past, the recent creations seem to be independent from them. Generally, the author's creations can be classified as Category:Health but this is too vague to be a resource directory. Until we identify the parent page, we should also consider them to be moved to draft space or userspace. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 06:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you, i will follow your advice, and will do it. in the following days Saltrabook (discuss • contribs) 19:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, I look forward to seeing further efforts in this area. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 00:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Lost context for discussion
I for one see these deletions of "Lost context for discussion" as of rather low value. They probably do not harm, though. There is real valuable work that needs to be done: deletion/move-to-userspace/move-to-draft-space of subpar mainspace pages.

Just a hint/nudge; your priorities are ultimately for you to decide. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 11:42, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the feedback. There are already other custodians/curators who are doing the deletion/move-to-userspace/move-to-draft-space of subpar mainspace pages. I don't think we have to concentrate our human resources in the same place. On the other hand, the things I'm doing are the tasks that have been forgotten for many years. If I don't do them then they will be forgotten longer. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 11:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, Guy is the only admin systematically handling these subpar pages in volume, and is getting tired; but maybe I just have myopia and do not see the whole picture.
 * Whether there is any harm in having old redirects to discussions seems not clear to me. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 11:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought Koavf and Atcovi were also working in that area. Deletion of isolated talk pages is written in WV:CSD, I'm just helping the enforcement of what our community has agreed. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 11:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have checked you deletions in the past in that area and found no genuine problems. However, I find the general idea of deleting lone talk pages very problematic; the talk pages are sometimes the only place where a background for why the deletion occurred can be found. In the cases that you are deleting, it is usually easy to find to which place the discussion was moved, so it looks fine. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 12:54, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, thank you for the feedback. I agree that deleting lone talk pages can be problematic when it is the only place where a background for why the deletion occurred can be found. For isolated talk pages with valid discussions, I always avoided deletion by moving it to different namespaces or reverting page moves that caused talk page isolation, etc. As a curator, I can delete pages but cannot do the opposite. So I have focused my deletion efforts on things that would never need restoration (such as the things I already deleted, including obvious vandalism or spam, etc.). MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Saltrabook
I just blocked him. We were so busy with little problems that we failed to notice a big one. I started to create a top page for all his work at:


 * Pre-diabetes diagnosis and remission

My method was crude: coping page creations log. He is a serial page creat0r, probably by auto-translating spanish articles.Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 16:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * "Pre-diabetes diagnosis and remissio" is a adequate headline for our work, but we need to continue, thank. you Saltrabook (discuss • contribs) 19:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What does "we need to continue" mean? Are you sharing your account? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 03:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There are no other authors, but our research group follow it, Saltrabook (discuss • contribs) 13:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Your colleagues are also welcome but they also need to follow Naming conventions. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if a block was immediately needed. Have we sent warnings for the recent issues? In the past there seems to be language preference issues but that's not what we are currently facing. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 03:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Premaledu
Hey there. On the template you used there are errors. I can’t edit it obviously but if you look at it you will see them. PotsdamLamb (discuss • contribs) 03:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * May I ask what errors are you talking about? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 04:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)