User talk:MathXplore/2024/03

Custodianship
Would you be interested in self-nominating (or being nominated by me) for en.wv custodianship? Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, I will accept your nomination. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 23:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

-- Jtneill - Talk - c
 * Fantastic :) See Candidates for Custodianship/MathXplore -- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the contact. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 07:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on your successful custodianship nomination! I've updated your user rights. --mikeu talk 16:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Greetings, thank you for the discussion closure and the update. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 01:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Support staff
FYI, I've added you to Support_staff - could you fill out the missing details? Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:05, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * OK, I will fill out the missing details as soon as possible. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 23:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Already ✅ MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * (Note) The appointment date is based on special:redirect/logid/3340028. Babel is the same as above, and the global user page. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 03:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about soft deletion
I got the impression that soft-delete is a regular delete with instructions on how to undelete. My guess is the instructions consist of listing forums whereby a user could request an undelete. My guess is also that the comment made during deletion is how we distinguish soft-deletes from hard-deletes. Is it that simple? If so, HHF is an excellent case for a soft-delete with someone who can nuke 40 subpages. See discussion at Requests_for_Deletion--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, I think you are right. Any page can be requested for undeletion at WV:RCA, but soft-deleted pages may be easily restored. In other words, if a soft-deleted page has been recreated, it may not be quickly deleted unless it meets any other reason at WV:CSD, they may also need another RFD for re-deletion. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Although, my answer is based on my experiences at the (simple) English Wikipedia. If our community agrees to a different approach, then that should be prioritized. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have no fundamental objection to what you just described. I do have unanswered questions, but they can wait until the community has a proper discussion. Also, my personal preference will always be to leave "good-faith-efforts" in draft space, but there are two essential caveats to that position/preference: (1) Wikiversity cannot function without that magic word "consensus", and (2) there is a strong possibility that a narrow majority of the community favors a draft-space cleanup. If that is the will of the majority, I am obligated go along. I do a lot of edits; but I don't like long discussions.Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 13:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I created a test page for soft deleting on User:Guy vandegrift/Soft deletions. We could create something like that with Soft deletions (the short summary is just an option.) It's faster than Draft:Archive, but more trouble than just leaving good faith multi-author pages in draftspace (single-author efforts belong in userspace.) Now it's up to the community to decide.--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 15:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the contact, I also look forward to hearing from the community. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 09:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk page vs. non-talk page
You moved Topic talk:Artificial consciousness to Artificial consciousness. That strikes me as suboptimal since the new page gives the impression there was a discussion in "Wikiversity" space on "Artificial consciousness", but that is not true. Moreover, moving something that was in a "talk" space to "non-talk" space seems not the best idea either. Leaving the page where it was would cause no harm and no confusion either: anyone could consult Topic:Artificial consciousness and see that it was deleted or moved. These are my ideas/impressions; I do not know what others think. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 14:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, I was previously suggested this type of page move at Request_custodian_action/Archive/23 and this is where my idea comes from. Maybe we need another template to notify that the discussion was moved from a different name space. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 14:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please also note that we sometimes have patrollers who search isolated talk pages and tag all of them for deletion. I thought the move may reduce their work, but some may agree to your opinions. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 14:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the best way would be to drop the rationale that suggests talk pages without base pages are a bad thing; they are not a bad thing in the English Wiktionary, where deletion discussions are archived to deleted entry talk page, and this has proved to work well. Similarly, in the English Wikiversity, a discussion on the merits of a page is sometimes on the talk page, which is why people find the talk page worthwhile--rightly, in my view. That would require a Colloquium discussion, I guess. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 15:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Dan's is not the only good solution. But it's the one I prefer because it is simple. We just need to educate patrollers on the fact that it is OK to leave a hanging talk page. We also need to "agree" on it. I am trying to put something together on What-goes-where 2024.  Feel free to place preliminary ideas on What-goes-where 2024 --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm not sure if the deletion of orphaned talk pages is "simple", but I think it does make sense. Some talk pages won't make sense without having the respective resource page, and I guess that is where this deletion criterion comes from. I also agree to the need that we just need to educate patrollers on the fact that it may be OK to leave a hanging talk page. I think I have rejected such deletion requests for those having a meaningful history. I look forward to seeing the updates at What-goes-where 2024. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 03:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, dropping or adding anything to policies needs another discussion. If we were using talk pages in the same way as the English Wiktionary, then we should follow them, but I don't think we are using talk pages like them. I think the usage of our talk pages is closer to Enwiki, which is why we have talk page deletion criteria like them. I agree that discussions on the merits of a page are sometimes on the talk page, but not all talk pages are being used in that way (especially those that I already deleted). However, others may think hanging talk pages is OK, so I think this agenda may be debatable. Thank you for the information. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)