User talk:Mu301/Archive 2019

Wikiversity:Vision/2019
Hi there!

Sorry for not writing back sooner, I've neglected to check my alerts and notices as I've been busy off-wiki, and I don't usually get too many comments lately.

Things are starting to settle down a bit and I'll have some time coming up to explore things, so I thought I'd touch base. Historybuff (discuss • contribs) 20:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Ladd Wikipedian in residence
The Wikipedian in residence table states that Kevin Rutherford was WiR with the Ladd dated "June-August 2013, 2016 (ongoing)". Any ideas what the dates mean - is it currently ongoing? I can't find reference to Kevin Rutherford on Wikipedian_in_Residence/Ladd_Observatory. Also, I'm overhauling the table by encoding it in wikidata (see current status), so let me know if Kevin Rutherford has a QID that I can use. Thanks! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 08:12, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The residence by Kevin in 2016 didn't work out. We did upload a number of images from the 2013 visit. I left the project open but haven't been contacted since then. --mikeu talk 21:08, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Location_hypotheses_of_Atlantis
See note at bottom, and continue discussion at Draft talk:Location hypotheses of Atlantis. --mikeu talk 13:23, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mu301.

Let me introduce myself.

I am John Garner PhD. I have been working on this Atlantis Location Hypothesis (but not by that name) since I was an undergraduate from Indiana State University with Degrees in Physics, Computer Science, Secondary Education, Physics Primary, Mathematics Minor, Computer literacy Endorsement in 1991 Then I earned a Master's Degree in Physics and finally a Doctorate Degree in Educational Leadership in 2012. I have also been a Registered Radiologic Technologist with the American Registry of Radiologic Technologists since 1972 and I have worked in a hospital performing x-ray examinations for Physicians and Radiologists.

I shall begin my argument to establish The Atlantis Location Hypothesis as sound science by correlation of Plato's Timaeus and Critias descriptions of the time that Atlantis existed and covered by the Atlantic Ocean with the end of the most recent Ice Age. As you know, I hope, there are a lot of new research projects concerning melt water pulses from melting glaciers. It is well-established science.

I thought that you might indulge me because I have done this before with marshallsumter who is a NASA researcher and an excellent Cartographer and Dave Braunschweig with whom I believe that you have corresponded already.

So now, it starts. Please read the following carefully, with an open mind.

HISTORY FROM PLATO'S DIALOGUE "CRITIAS" that fixes the time of Atlantis' demise
"Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them..."

"Plato's final years were spent at the Academy and with his writing. The circumstances surrounding his death are clouded, though it is fairly certain that he died in Athens around 348 B.C.E., when he was in his early 80s."

This year is 2017. 9000 + 348 + 2017 = 11,365 years before present

However, "Sometime around 385 B.C.E., Plato founded a school of learning, known as the Academy, which he presided over until his death."

Plato established the Academy and he taught there 37 years before his death in his early 80's, which could add as much as 37 years to the demise of Atlantis. So the demise of Atlantis from this could mean 11,402 years ago for the demise of Atlantis.

"The Holocene is the name given to the last 11,700 years* of the Earth's history — the time since the end of the last major glacial epoch, or 'ice age.'"

The range of error of correlation between these two dates from different sources is from 298 years to 335 years because of Plato's career range with the Academy. 11,700 - 11,365 = 335 difference, the largest error, the error is 335 / 11,700 X 100 equals roughly between 2 - 3 % or calculation yields 2.8632479% to 10 decimal places. If I were to apply statistical calculations we could rely upon mathematical correlation without question that Atlantis' demise was at the end of the most recent ice age or at the end of the Holocene Epoch according to Plato.

RAYLEIGH22 (discuss • contribs) 01:28, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

The Atlantis Location Hypothesis Abstract
Mu301

Please allow me to start over again.

Would just the following be acceptable as the Abstract for the placement of the Atlantis Location Hypothesis on the Main Wikiversity site? If not have you any suggestions to help me?

Atlantis Location Hypothesis

Disclaimer: All of the footnote Reference sources in this document come from established science.

The map below is a bathymetric or hydrographic map of the ocean floor of the North Atlantic as it exists today. This map is constructed from U.S. Navy data. It is obvious that the floor of the Atlantic is elevated along the  M id  A tlantic  R ift from Iceland to well South of the Azores in the southern Atlantic. In addition, it is easy to see the Azores Plateau and the area surrounding it. If you click on it you can see a larger more detailed version of the map. On the larger version you can make out the locations of interest to you. Remember, this is a under water depth map, and it is color coded by depth. You may click your mouse on any or all of these maps on this site to see a compilation of the maps being used or to help verify the source.

Look at the earthquake activity on Azores plateau and the MAR around the 9 Azores islands by visiting the website below. http://www.cvarg.azores.gov.pt/seismic/index.html

The earthquake activity is being caused by the movement of magma under the Azores plateau.



ABSTRACT
Science offers explainations about the Atlantis Location Hypothesis that are long-standing. Recent scientific knowledge gained from advances in Geology and Climate Change Science used here are intended to suggest the understanding of science as it may be applied to the subject of a reasonable argument for the location of Atlantis as it is understood from Plato's dialogues.

Much has been written about Atlantis since Plato's Timaeus and Critias dialogues were written down over 2,400 years ago. Generally, this consensus that has been arrived at over the years relies upon possible errors in the translation of Plato into modern language forms. Questions that attempts to change the timelines of Plato in his original writings exist. Reasons for these proposed mistranslated places also exist. For example, over the years timelines derived from the Bible has contradicted Plato's original timeline. For his text to survive those timelines had to be explained in a manner that would satisfy the religious authorities of the historical period in which they came up. Later, Gradualism also came up. Gradualism was a scientific explanation for the Earth that explained the timelines being discovered by science that went back millions and billions of years. Religious authorities who relied upon supernatural events, miracles and the 6 day creation of the Earth in addition to other catastrophic occurrences described in the Bible became termed Catastrophism. Catastrophism as a supernatural concept exists. The science consensus tends to prefer Gradualism as a comfortable, familiar and secure science to compare with other alternatives. Modern science, however, has many observations of catastrophic changes that are accepted as mainstream science.

This Atlantis Location Hypothesis supposes that Plato's two works may be accurate documents of history if scientific methods are employed to attempt to explain their claims. From Plato's dialogues the search for Atlantis the island in the Atlantic Ocean just as Plato's dialogues's descriptions are initiated and a hypothesis with existing scientific evidence is submitted. Using scientific methods, research and recently acquired knowledge we shall attempt to establish the location of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean during the time Plato said it was there approximately 12,000 years ago. The modern sciences of today and very recent scientific climate and sea level change principles will help to establish the geography lesson of Plato. Plato's justification is not the point of this exercise. Is it possible that the written and the oral records of humanity such as we have from Plato are important and will lead to revelations today that have been creatively suggested by inquisitive minds and then doubted by some of the best scientists and historians of the last 2,400 years or more.

Thank you.

RAYLEIGH22 (discuss • contribs) 00:46, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * There is no need to repost the abstract from the main draft page - it is there for everyone to see. If you wish to highlight suggested changes to the abstract it would be better to copy the old text to a user page, make the changes and save, and then post a diff. Please ask if you would like instructions on how to do this. By including so much verbose material makes it difficult to follow a thread. I've archived the above posts using the collapse template. Any further excessive posting to talk pages will result in this discussion being moved to WV:CR where there is a 700 word limit per contributor for statements.
 * Please continue the discussion at Draft talk:Location hypotheses of Atlantis, as both Dave and I have repeatedly said, rather than on user talk pages. That is the appropriate forum. I have added that to my watchlist so I'll see any new posts.
 * There is no question that this is a fringe theory, specifically pseudoarchaeology. That distinction is not a topic that is open for debate. Our Research Guidelines require subjectivity and trying to claim that these are mainstream and accepted theories is problematic.
 * The question here is not about the particulars of this theory, it is about the scope and mission of wikiversity. As Dave mentioned there are certain topics that have caused disruption here in the past. Many of these topics started as deleted material from wikipedia. I see that your similar additions to wp have caused contention as discussed at w:User_talk:RAYLEIGH22 and even you noted that the material was leading to disruptive editing at w:Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2017_April_23. Wikiversity is not a webhost - it is a community. Project topics that have demonstrated problematic patterns of editing in the past are a distraction from our educational mission. These are the concerns that we need to discuss. --mikeu talk 13:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

custodianship
I have applied for custodianship for wikiversity. Your input I feel is needed and I thank you in advance for it now.

Thanks very much again,

RAYLEIGH22 (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Replied at WV:RFA --mikeu talk 06:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)