User talk:Ottava Rima/archives/2011/sep

welcome back
. You taught me to welcome contributors, that it was important. Thanks. --Abd 18:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Welcoming new users
Thanks for your work welcoming new users. I'm seriously busy today and may not be able to handle this, so your work is especially appreciated. I've started trying to document when I last made a "sweep," looking for redlinked user talk pages, and sometimes checking new users with talk pages that they have created themselves. See Wikiversity talk:Welcoming committee. If you wish to, and you have made a full sweep since the last documented sweep, it could be useful if you would sign there. Thanks again. --Abd 15:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Welcome for spammers and vandals
We don't normally do that, unless an edit is marginal. I noticed that you welcomed a clear spammer, Ottava. I learned to do welcoming from you, so this must simply have been a slip. When I see new users with a redlinked talk page, with an edit, I check contributions, I'm looking for anything that might reasonably be considered a good faith edit, including testing stuff in the Sandbox, or setting up their user page. I'll glance at those edits. In the case of Celery you welcomed at 15:55 16 September. The only edit for that account has been deleted, it was on User:Celery. It was blatant linkspam, created at 02:14, 16 September 2011, and tagged as linkspam by Mathonius at 05:06, 16 September 2011. It was actually deleted by Draicone at 06:42, 16 September 2011, and Draicone had blocked the user, you'd have seen that in Contributions.

So how you found the user's edit to use as a basis for welcome is unclear. I'd guess you loaded Recent Changes, before 06:42, then looked at it much later and did your welcoming. Not a big deal, but please do try to be careful. To get the ball rolling, I'm going to speedy tag that user talk page, if you don't object. You are the only editor. --Abd 01:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Ug. You also welcomed Deng. I haven't check more than a couple of welcomes.

There are some other problems as well, such as Myoma. I wouldn't expect you to catch that, not being familiar with recent activity. However, the page was thoroughly inappropriate, if I didn't know that this is a sock, I'd still have moved the page into user space on first sight. I'm deleting that page, it's a duplicate of many that the user has created, which are only starting to be deleted, as the user is completely unresponsive and keeps creating them. I've still not blocked the primary account, because my goal is cooperation. But .... well, let's hope. As it is, see User talk:Mr. burmese, the primary account. I'm now seeing that I'll need to review your welcomes, because they could, as with Myoma, be concealing problems. Seriously, Ottava, I didn't expect to see this. Please be more careful. --Abd 01:33, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We welcome everyone. Don't lecture me about Welcoming, especially in such an incivil and inappropriate manner. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:35, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, Dracione blocked Celery for 1 month, Deng for 1 month, and you chose to inappropriately block a user indefinitely which is not the type of block we apply. Dracione was appropriate. We welcome users because we expect that they can become better after their block. What you did was completely alienate someone and not tell them why their behavior is unacceptable. Your mentor should have immediately revoked your ability to block for that indef. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Block notice
Ottava, I've just blocked you for a week. You haven't really been a positive contributor here for a while, and you seem to be focused in a laser-like fashion on "taking down" someone who has historically been your rival.

Just something to think about: among the various accusations you've made, you've accused Abd of acting in a "political" manner, in the negative sense of "political". While you might be right about that, you should have at least made a modicum of effort to at least appear to do the AGF thing.

More to think about: "politically", it would have been much better for me to encourage you, because we're definitely on the same side when it comes to Abd becoming a full custodian. I'm not blocking you for the sake of politics, and I'm not blocking you just because I don't like you. If you really care all that much about Abd's shortcomings and can present it in a coherent manner, you now have a week to do so.

While I wish it weren't necessary to say this, I will: Abd, I will block you if you make any comment that might aggravate this situation, with no prejudice about whether you meant to aggravate it (IOW, please leave Ottava alone). --SB_Johnny talk 20:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, I mentioned this on my talk, but I'll repeat it here: If you want to get into an argument about this, the WR annex would be a better venue for me. --SB_Johnny talk 20:56, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Really? Not a positive contributor? Did you bother to look at my contribs before making things up? I had to go through and check recent contribs dating back 10,000 to fix a lot of mistakes. Not only did Abd proceed to harass me during it, but also tried to claim that it was acceptable to block in a manner that encouraged disruption and imported more drama to Wikiversity. Now you violated all ethical standards in your block, and it is extremely problematic. Your edits show no real positive activity, while my short time since I returned show over 32 times more positive contributions than you. That isn't a coincidence. That has always been the case, and one reason why Jimbo desysopped you for blatant disruption and abuse. Ottava Rima (talk)  01:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)