User talk:PCano

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HLA-A*..., etc.
Wikiversity is an open learning project (not a webhost). Are these pages open for everyone to contribute to? What are they about? --SB_Johnny talk 20:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

HLA CWD
I understand that this Wikiversity business is for everybody to contribute, and I expect that everybody feels free to do so. Nevertheless, HLA is a technical topic and only those with expertise in the subject should make an attempt to edit or change the information.

The HLA system is the genetic system involved in histocompatibility, that is, how compatible two subjects are to donate and receive organs in transplantation.

As you can see this is a serious subject and I hope people treat this resource with respect and do not vandalise it.

This is an experiment in using the Wikimedia tools in a serious scientific and clinical application.

PCano 19:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, sounds good. One good way to keep it organized is to use a main page with sub-pages so that outside observers will see it as a unit and understand what it's about.
 * We can't make any guarantees about vandalism, but we'll try to keep an eye out for it. --SB_Johnny talk 11:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with SB_Johnny. I suggest using sub-pages structure for this as well as a top level page name that is clearer about its scope because pages should be useful also to people that want to learn about the subject, not just to experts who already know all of this. Based on what you wrote above, "Organ transplant compatibility" might be a good top-level page name to use to help attract a scientific and clinical audience, and anyone that wishes to learn about organ transplant compatibility. -- dark lama  13:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Also agree with sub-pages. PCano, I wonder is there a "hierarchical" structure that could suit the organisation of these pages? Bloom clock might be a relevant example. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:00, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see how any of this fits on Wikiversity if it is, at best, a tiny copy and paste from another website already documenting such things. All this is doing is creating huge swathes of pages with little use. Maybe Wikispecies would be better. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This is not just a copy-and-paste exercise, it will include data not available anywhere else, like linkage disequilibrium, allele distribution in different populations, problems in identifying alleles and in categorising the sequence, etc, as well as implication in matching patients and donors for transplantation. Besides, it will open the door for people to collaborate and share information in a new way in this field. It will take some time to develop. I am planning to present the possibility of using Wikimedia tools for this purpose at a meeting in Prague in May 2011. The abstract for the meeting is due in January. I will post it here for reference. I do not anticipate this project will be going full speed until next Summer. PCano 23:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * In regard to using sub-pages, I am already using a hierarchical structure with categories and subcategories to keep things organised. The starting point in this hierarchy is: "http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:HLA_CWD_Alleles" What are sub-pages? How would they be better than categories? PCano 23:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * A subpage contains a "/" in its name and shares a common root name. If you were to use Organ transplant compatibility as a main page for this work, Organ transplant compatibility/Verified alleles would be a subpage for example. Pages in a category are not necessarily part of the same work, nor necessarily have the same aims or focus. The subpage structure is used when pages have a strong dependency on each other or share a common focus. Subpages are also a way to break up a large resource into smaller more manageable pages. Resources that don't use subpages could be considered independent works in which other resources could potentially be used interchangeably with it, used in place of, or in combination with other resources to learn about a topic. Use of subpages is somewhat equivalent to using staples, a book binder. or some other method to tie pages together and let people know those specific pages are intended to be read together, while the alternative is a bit like giving out handouts on a single sheet of paper. -- dark lama  00:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * See also Subpages. DL - your explanation above could be added to this page? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There are other reasons to use subpages which may or may not apply here. Notice, above, a Wikiversity user is concerned about whether or not this resource belongs on Wikiversity. If there is a top level page that explains the topic and links it and fits it into the rest of the Wikiversity structure, then the subpages, which is what you have been creating, are easily seen and understood in context. Original research is allowed on Wikiversity, but it is easier, as well, to allow this on subpages wherever controversy might arise. A top level mainspace page should clearly identify where in the overall educational structure a particular page fits. Subpages may even come down to individual student essays, etc., as part of a class, tests, etc.
 * I want to make it very clear that all or almost all of the users commenting here are most interested in helping you establish this resource and in your demonstration, and consider your efforts more than welcome. However, to maximize consensus and minimize problems, we are suggesting the use of subpage structure. It's really just a matter of renaming pages and creating a top-level page that serves as an introduction and index to the rest. That is also done on Wikibooks, which might eventually be the best destination for your work. It's fine that it start here, and work can easily be ported back and forth between here and Wikibooks, but original researtch, if that is what is involved, belongs here, not there. It can be a little fuzzy.
 * I also want to express my confidence that this resource is safe on Wikiversity, given those who are attempting to help you here.
 * For this topic, it seems that "ownership" of the pages by the author, to some degree, may be valuable. There might be a template for that, but ownership is, in any case, much more acceptable in subpages than in a top-level page. The community will support appropriate ownership, particularly for experts, as it seems you are. A professor for a course may determine course materials. However, the professor may not take over an entire topic in the university catalog.... WikiMedia Foundation policy requires overall neutrality, which ownership can conflict with. Here, we interpret neutrality as allowing particular pages to express a point of view or opinion or original research, and manage neutrality by ensuring that controversy may be identified and placed in apposition where necessary. I'll be happy to assist in this to the extent you permit. --Abd 03:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * One more comment. Wikipedia, the largest WMF wiki, does not allow subpages in mainspace. I personally think this was an error, proceeding from some kind of assumption that a flat structure was "encyclopedic." Given the Wikipedia lack of subspace structure in mainspace, categories are the main way of organizing pages. Wikiversity, however, allows subpages in every namespace, to my knowledge, and you can see an example of an approach to using subpages for ever-increasing detail, as well as for presenting controversial positions or research projects, etc., at Cold fusion and the subpages linked from there. This is a very controversial topic, and if the top-level resource is biased in some way, or even simply alleged to be biased, it must be open to editing by any community participant -- any registered editor, at least, and perhaps even IP editors. Otherwise WV has become other than neutral. However, some of the subpages are the research of identified authors. (Or, if necessary, the author(s) will be identified.) To allow them to be altered contrary to author permission creates some obvious problems. We are not Wikipedia, and what you wish to do would be impossible and unwelcome on Wikipedia. Here, I am confident, you may create what you envision and we are only suggesting that categories are not optimal for this, you may do it more directly and more accessibly.
 * Further, you need not actually make the shift yourself. I'll be happy to do it for you when I have some spare time, and I believe that others would also help. Your job at this point is to gather the material, which is difficult compared to reorganizing per subpage structure. This is Wikiversity, where expertise is highly valued, and, increasingly, well-protected. (Among those commenting here, so far, are two active bureaucrats, the highest local level of privilege, and another custodian, and your experiment here is greatly appreciated. --Abd 03:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your help. It seems that using subpages involves renaming pages already created. Editing a page does not allow you to modify the name, does it? Is there a way to modify the name of a page? By the way, how do you delete a page already created? Thank you again for your help. PCano 18:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at the top right of a page near where the edit link is. You should see [[File:Vector skin - page not in the watchlist.png]] and [[File:MediaWiki Vector skin action arrow.png]]. If you move the mouse cursor over [[File:MediaWiki Vector skin action arrow.png]] you should see a move option which can be used to rename pages. Add reasons for the request to the top of the page you wish to have deleted. -- dark lama  18:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see the star, but not the triangle with the options. PCano 20:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. The triangle with the 'move' option is available with normal pages, but not with 'Category' pages'. Is that correct? So the 'Category' pages cannot be renamed. PCano 20:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes you are correct, categories cannot be renamed. You have to update any pages that use a category to use a different name and request deletion of the old category. -- dark lama  23:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is because categories were not intended to hold (much) content..... --Abd 03:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I see the advantages of subpages, nevertheless categories and subcategories seem to me more appropriate for some projects. The one I am trying to put together is one of them. With subpages you see the parent page, but not the children, unless you manually create a link yourself; with subcategories you see both the parent and all the children. With subpages the only way you have to reorganise things is to change the name of the page, with categories it is very easy, just changing the category in the body of the page. This project will require a lot of reorganisation, actually this is one of the main purposes of it: to agree on how to classify HLA alleles. In addition, subpages produce long page names that include their hierarchy, while the use of categories makes the hierarchical structure less conspicuous and page names much cleaner. If you haven't any major objections I will use subpages for the background information, but for the alleles themselves I would like to keep using categories. The main page is 'Transplantation', which was already created, even if it was not actually used. PCano 19:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You are thinking either/or, when what may be best is "both." And there is something you should know about subpage names. for example, here /Subpage and /Subpage/ display as /Subpage and /Subpage/ respectively. These both point to the same subpage, i.e., User talk:PCano/Subpage.


 * Further, if you use subpages, every page becomes part of a hierarchy that is explicit in the page name, and this will help Recent Changes patrollers identify the page and detect and remove vandalism. Changes to a category with an obscure name are not so easy to understand. There is little problem allowing you to more or less "own" a set of subpages you have created. There is much more problem with allowing you to control a set of top-level pages. A page hierarchy can be transferred with no fuss to another wiki, and your book may eventually end up at Wikibooks.
 * Basically, you have found a way to use categories that imitates, in a way, subpages; however, the software was not designed for this; that you cannot "move" a category to a new name is an example. Categories were not designed to be used for content, but only as "tabs" or identifiers for content. As I noted, I don't want to see your valuable time wasted fixing the existing structure, and I'm happy to assist with converting what you have to a subpage version. And categories can still be used, appropriately. I'm not sure that I understand all that you are doing, in fact, I'm sure I don't. Understand, though, that we want hierarchical structure to be readily visible. It does not need to clutter up the names, as you thought, and, in any case, when you link to a page you can make that appear however you like. For example, I can display User talk:Abd as Meddling Bozo who will try to help but may get it wrong the first time. Or I can very quickly make it display this way: Abd with the "pipe trick." Just a | symbol after the page name. The slash is totally cool for subpage names, and that makes the whole structure portable, i.e., you could rename a page and the page references move with it. (You still have to rename the subpages, but that's easier than having to rename all the references -- and I think there is a command accessible to admins to rename an entire hierarchy in one action.)
 * At this point, I suggest you create a top-level resource, a mainspace page that describes and links to the whole work you are attempting, outlining it (and you can start by pointing, at least, to the top-level category). Right now, your "top level" category is a category that is not linked from anywhere (as a wikilink), so it shows up as unused. Unused categories get deleted, rather routinely. Let your top-level resource explain what you are doing, so that anyone can understand it. When we see that, we can then assist better. (Or leave you alone better! Remember, this is a wiki, and lots of people get involved.) Categories may indeed be useful as part of this.
 * In case you don't know it, you can link to a category without making the page part of the category. So Category:HLA CWD Alleles or HLA CWD Alleles both link to the category without becoming part of it: this is done with a colon preceding the pagename, the second then has a pipe after the pagename to suppress "Category." If I put the link without the initial colon there, you would then see your Talk page as part of the category, which you don't want.
 * Meanwhile, I'd like you to think about what you are doing with all these pages to the All Pages list for Wikiversity. You have created a vast list of incomprehensible page names. If they were under an intelligible page name as a prefix, i.e., if they were subpages, they would all be immediately recognizable. Our attention was brought to this by a user who may have been confused by the page names and unusual content. (There may also be some issues with copyright here, but one problem at a time! I don't know if you have addressed copyright issues with the images you are using on your pages.... Probably before you put a huge amount of effort in, further, you should make sure that we are all on the same page, so to speak, about copyright. Did you address this above? I'm not sure and have to move on to something else now.) --Abd 21:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Abd, you're wrong on two counts. First of all, no one really "owns" the content hosted here on Wikiversity, except of course by way of attribution. As stated at the bottom of each page whenever you open the editing menu, if you had decided to notice, is some fine print stating "If you do not want your writing to be edited and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here. If you did not write this yourself, it must be available under terms consistent with the Terms of Use, and you agree to follow any relevant licensing requirements." Doing otherwise destroys the collaborative atmosphere and the wiki principle of open editing, and a page cannot be improved if it is only written by one self-proclaimed "expert" on the subject. Secondly, Wikipedia should not have subpages in the mainspace, and for good reason; there are plenty of articles on Wikipedia which make use of the slash function in their naming conventions. The article on the famous TV programme Nip\Tuck, for example, is in no way related to the verb Nip at all, and should therefore not be classified as a subpage of said latter article. TeleComNasSprVen 05:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Categories are like keywords, attributes, tag lines, or indexes. They are meant to associate pages with short descriptive identifiers useful for classifying and searching for pages. With categories you cannot change the layout, how pages are listed, or group related pages together under a heading longer than a single letter. You could use on a page to get all the pages beginning with a given prefix too, if layout and how pages are listed or grouped aren't important. -- dark  lama  21:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I must apologise because now I realise that I should've asked for permission before I started with this project. I assumed that this business of Wikimedia was open for people to share information. Now I see that there is some supervision, which I think is good. So maybe you can tell me how to proceed before I continue. First, I would like to clarify some points, though. It is not true that the categories I have created are not linked from anywhere. And I have already created, as I indicated above, a top level main page, its name is 'Transplantation'. Everything I have done can be accessed from there. And I am using subpages in this process. I am only using categories to classify HLA alleles, and I believe I am using then appropriately. They may look weird, but they are not for those interested in this subject, and for that reason I created them. Regarding the names of the pages I have created, they are as unintelligible as any scientific name of entities one is not familiar with, like the scientific names of flowers or plants, that seem all to me like names of nuns in a medieval monastery. The names of the pages I have created are the official names of the HLA alleles and each of them has a link to the official site where you can verify this. So at this point I would appreciate if you can answer these questions: 1) Must I convert all the pages I have created to subpages in a hierarchical fashion up to the main page 'Transplantation' in order for me to be allowed to use the resources here? 2) Can I use the page 'Transplantation' as the main page? 3) What kind of clearance do I need to proceed with this project? PCano 23:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is the purpose of the WMF to host all kinds of different information on each of their separate projects, but we should be careful about what kind of information that we could give. For example, we would not want false information regarding the existence, daily habits, excessive details, or relevance thereof of flying purple hippos and other imaginary fantastical creatures. If you'd like an introduction, you can visit Introduction or What is Wikiversity? TeleComNasSprVen 05:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

(&larr; unindent) You don't really need "clearance" for it ;-). As for moving the pages and recategorizing, it's probably easier to ask User:Mu301 for some robotic assistance rather than doing it by hand. --SB_Johnny talk 00:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) No. 2) Yes. 3) You don't need permission or clearance to start projects at Wikiversity. Wikiversity does have some rules people are generally expected to follow. Wikiversity is a community, people in the community sometimes also share common expectations that are like rules, not all of which are necessarily documented. In the case of categories, I think there are some expectations that are common to most of the Wikimedia projects. See Categorization and Overcategorization for some possible insights into what expectations you might be encountering. -- dark lama  01:05, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DarkLama. PCano, we are all working together to assist you in creating a vibrant and effective learning resource. Above, I stated that your top-level category was not linked from anywhere. That was an error.
 * I do recommend using subpages instead of having a huge series of top-level pages, and it looks to me like your lowest-level pages (which are now the top-level pages) might be even more than one level beneath the top -- but now that you are thinking about page structure, I'd not make a move until you've had more opportunity to consider this.
 * Wikiversity has not at all been consistent about this and you will find lots of isolated top-level pages. Wikiversity is, however, not an encyclopedia but is intended as a collection of learning resources. If there were a course that specialized in some medieval monastery, in the catalog of the university offering the course, it would be titled under that monastery or some similar subject name, and then the pages underneath could cover each nun, for example, or similar topic. Category classification, however, could be applied to each nun, who might fit more than one category. (And that can be done regardless of where the page sits.) Wikipedia runs into constant problems over notability due to the flat structure, and pages are frequently deleted or creators must defend them at Articles for Deletion, a waste of time. On Wikipedia, a page on a single allele would probably never be allowed, unless it, by itself, became specially notable for some reason, with ample independent reliable source establishing its importance. That someone or something is listed in some reference isn't adequate. I could make a case that something that could not be a page on Wikipedia should not be a top-level page here (but I don't want to propose a rigid standard), and many of our isolated pages really might better be organized so that a "class" can use them.
 * Would you have a "class" or a "book" on a single allele? What you have is like a dictionary or encyclopedia of alleles, right?
 * Yes, your page Transplantation could be a top-level page. That's a bit too broad, though, don't you think? I suggest thinking of Wikibooks, see how they organize things, it is similar to us, and, in fact, Wikiversity started at Wikibooks, and I think your work is headed there, it is probably quite adequately sourced. Here, we don't need to worry about that, so this is a very good place to start.
 * I don't want you to think you have to do a huge amount of work to redo what you did. Many hands make short work. As pages are moved, redirects are automatically created so that a reference to the old page still finds the new position. I'm not sure that there is enough work that 'bot assistance will be required, mostly it would be a matter of creating pages equivalent to the categories you have. It might be easier to do than to describe. I just don't want to touch your pages without your permission!
 * This is a wiki, and anything done can be undone, quickly. If I were so foolish as to make a hundred bad edits in trying to fix your hierarchy, it could be undone in much less time, they would stand out in my contributions history, and rollback could be used to undo it all much more quickly than I took to do it. It's one click per revision!
 * I want to emphasize that you did nothing wrong in starting your resource without "permission." However, you can do, I believe, something even better through interaction and consultation with the rest of the community, and, with broader community participation -- as appropriate! --, your project here will be easier to build and maintain. It could then, when ready, be moved to Wikibooks or possibly to Wikisource; the latter might be even better than Wikibooks if the text is intended to be stable. --Abd 02:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am beginning to understand what all of you have been trying to tell me. You can tell I am new with all this. It never occurred to me that creating pages indiscriminately would cause any problem. Now I think I see how it could. It is clear that somehow using subpages is the only way to go to prevent the problems you have mentioned. I just don't like how everything depends on the page name. If you want to organise things with subpages, a page for lions should be named: 'Kingdom Animalia/Phylum Cordate/Subphilum Vertebrata/Class Mammalia/order Carnivora/Suborder Felifornia/Superfamily Feloidea/Family Felidae/Subfamily Pantherinae/Genus Panthera/Species Panthera leo'. The same organisation can be accomplished much more efficiently using categories just by naming the page 'Species Panthera leo' and adding in the page the invisible code . You can hide the prefix when you refer to a page, but I don't think you can hide it from the title when the page is displayed, or when a master page displays all its dependencies, can you? What about using a subpage system for control and to address the problems mentioned, while keeping the categories to organise things? Would it be possible for me to use two  top-level pages, 'Transplantation' to provide background information and 'HLA' to keep things under control? Would that be acceptable? In that case I could rename the pages 'HLA/A*01:01:01:01' instead of 'HLA-A*01:01:01:01'. I see that creating numerous top-level pages is a problem, and I am willing to correct it, but regarding how I have been using categories, I am afraid I cannot see what is wrong with it.  PCano 08:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Page names are important because its the first thing people see when looking for works. Who you want to educate and what you want to educate them on are important considerations for deciding what project name to use and how to structure the project. If you wanted to educate people on the animal kingdom, these people are not likely to know the kingdom classification, so your example wouldn't necessarily be good name to use. If you wanted to go into great detail on each animals place in the animal kingdom, you could very well need to use such a large structure, although using "Animal Kingdom/" and providing the structure at "Animal Kingdom" with links to the individual subpage could make maintaining the structure easier without having to frequently rename pages should a change in the structure be desired.
 * If the project was just about lions, "Lions" would probably make a better project name than "Species Panthera leo". I doubt people wanting to learn about lions, if they came across "Species Panthera leo", would know this work is related to what they wanted to learn.
 * When it comes to classification, might be used for both the "Lions" project and "Animal Kingdom/Lions".
 * You can hide the prefix from links you add yourself (Haematopoietic Stem Cells). Dependency listings are usually manually maintained. A good structure usually manages to avoid a need to rename and restructure pages frequently.
 * We aren't trying to tell you how to subpage this project or what the subpage names should be. What is important here is ensuring learners will find this project and understand what they are looking at if they happen to come across the project name. Would the people you want to educate know what "HLA" means, or what "A*01:01:01:01" means? Yes, you can use two or more top level pages, the important thing here is to be clear on each page what the project is about, how top-level pages are related, and what connections do the top-level pages have with each other. A project that is divided into smaller sub-project sometimes uses multiple top level pages to give each sub-project a degree of separation and independence.
 * Does this explanation by any chance help also to explain where you might be going wrong with the use of categories? If you still need things to be explained further let me know. -- dark lama  14:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Moving a lot of the articles to subpages under a single top page is a good idea, so that it is not so spread out and a disconnected and unidentical set of loose information. But first, the top page must explain the purpose of the subpages as well as contain information relevant on the subject matter, and it seems this project is in desperate need of improvement. We can help. TeleComNasSprVen 05:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And you have already helped me substantially, and I am grateful for it. In regard to the despair and the need for improvement, please let me know what are its shortcomings. Remember that this is something I was planning to develop over the next few months with other people to be introduced in May 2011 to the general scientific community in this field, as I explained above. As for 'information relevant on the subject matter', I have already included significant background information and I will add more to it soon. In January 2011 I will include the abstract to be presented at the 2011 EFI Meeting that will introduce and explain the purpose of this project. Even if the text of the abstract cannot be made public quite yet, I will give enough information about this project for people to know what we are up to. PCano 14:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice use of Special:AllPages
Nice use of Special:AllPages to list your HLA subpages. I suggest you put that on a subpage, though. It makes the HLA page itself too large, unnecessarily. I'd do it but I fully want to respect your control of this resource. If you need any help, please don't hesitate to ask, I'm now a temporary custodian and can do things like delete those unneeded redirects created when you moved all those pages. You may also email me at any time through the Wikiverisity interface. Thanks for working on your project here.

I'll delete the redirects, if that's okay, assuming they are not needed. I prefer to ask you before doing this, because I don't want to look at each one to see "what links here." Easily a lot more work! I will tag one of them for speedy deletion, but won't start deleting for a bit. --Abd 13:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think 'redirects' are the pages I had marked to be deleted. Is that correct? Yes, go ahead and remove them, please. Do you think the 'HLA' page is too large? It just has a brief section with some definitions, a 'See also' section and the list of subpages. You are suggesting to create a subpage to list all the 'HLA' subpages, aren't you? That would list itself, wouldn't it? Could you tell me how to contact you? How does the Wikiversity interface work in that regard? I appreciate your help. PCano 16:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, none of the redirects were marked to be deleted. But I'll delete them. Yes, I think the page is too large, but it's certainly not an emergency. There are several possible solutions. Yes, if it's a subpage of HLA, it would list itself. That listing, however, will not show as a blue link, but as bold text. Harmless. --Abd 16:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Why doesn't the subpage 'HLA/Scientific Literature' and other subpages show in the list of subpages? Just the alleles themselves show, which is good, but how does it work? PCano
 * Actally the subpage 'HLA/DRB1*04:14' is not listed either. Why? Is there a limit in the number of subpages that can be listed with the command 'Special:PrefixIndex/HLA/'? PCano 16:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally, yes, there's a limit to how many pages the Special:PrefixIndex page can show at any one time. There is, however, a link to show additional pages at the top right corner of the screen when viewing the special page; you should see it or something like "All pages | Next page (HLA/DRB1*04:14)" in very small font (I don't know why it's in small font, but it is). TeleComNasSprVen 22:02, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Request custodian action
Hi - just drawing your attention to this discussion - and hoping you may be able to contribute? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:47, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the work you are doing -- keep it up. I hope you will update us all on the overall progress of your work as well; a short comment every few days on your own userpage would be most valuable.  174.63.86.33 15:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Double redirects you created
When you move a page again, this creates a double redirect. I.e, you move A -> B, then B -> C. The redirect from A will not work. To fix this, edit A to point to C.

You can see all double redirects at Special:DoubleRedirects. You can also check a page with "What links here" in the Toolbox (should be on the left of your screen if you are using the default skin). If there are no links to a redirect page, you may wish to request that it be deleted. With the example above, you might want to have A and B deleted, it depends on whether or not they are linked from anywhere.

To request the deletion of an unused redirect, add

to the page. Thanks. --Abd 23:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Page
You made an useless page that is named HLA/DRB4*01:03:01:01 which I will request deletion. (Reply on my talk page about anything) ---Draubb