User talk:Penninghlhd

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Page blanking
I noticed you blanked the page of several articles you created. Are you seeking to have the pages deleted completely or making room for a rewrite? Is there a problem I can help with? Geoff Plourde 19:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Geoff, I indeed like to have the pages on Neural Symbolic Cognitive Agents deleted completely. The reason is copyright. I have setup the Neural Symbolic Learning and Reasoning research project page for online collaboration, but found out that there can be conflicts when we want to publish original research to conferences and journals, because of the creative commons license. Is there a way to work around this, meaning can we can write articles on Wikiversity and still be able to publish them to conferences and journals with conflicting copyright licenses? If not, we will probably stick to writing about secondary research only. Furthermore is it possible to protect the research project page and all its subpages so that we can manage who can edit? --Leo de Penning 07:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Leo, I'm not a lawyer so I can't give a definite answer on the copyright issues. Jtneill is a academic from the University of Canberra who might have a better answer/know who to ask. I'll delete the pages in question shortly. I think you could write the rough drafts on Wikiversity and keep the final off, which might be a workaround. With regards to locking pages, we aren't really set up to do that. I don't think you'll have problems with people editing your pages though (except maybe for spelling or code problems :P). Regards, Geoff Plourde 03:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm noticing some pages are used on other pages and transcluded in. Could you please list which ones you want deleted and delink them? I'd really hate to wreck your pretty formatting when I go through on a deletion spree. Geoff Plourde 03:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no other pages I like to have deleted. Thanks for all the info! And in the future I will use the deletion templates when nescessary. --Leo de Penning 08:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

You can request that a page be deleted by placing, on the page, a deletion template. If you are the only author, it's simple. Place this:, when you are logged in. A custodian should see this pretty quickly, will look at the diff and page history to verify that you are the only author, and delete it with no further ado. If you want to keep a blanked page, that can cause some trouble because blanked pages may be routinely deleted. So put some content on the page, such as, on the Topics page, if you want that transcluded page kept, instead of blanking, you could put "No topics at this time."

Using Wikiversity to hold drafts where you want to reserve copyright is problematic, because you are granting rights under our site license, and that isn't revoked by blanking or even deletion. It may depend on the journal to which you are submitting the paper.... As to locking pages, it's possible to protect them, but then you could not edit them, and you'd need to ask a custodian to help every time you wanted to make a change. If you want others not to edit a page, you can put the actual page in your user space, generally you have the right to ask others not to edit such pages. If they do, you can just revert the changes. Be sure that the request to not edit is clearly stated so that someone doesn't waste their time editing just to have it reverted. --Abd 04:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * With regards to putting up notices to let people know to avoid those pages, see here Geoff Plourde 05:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, Geoff. I hadn't seen that or seen it used. It would be within custodian discretion to enforce or decline to enforce that. --Abd 16:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

About licensing your works
Well, if you have just published some edits here under cc-by-sa 3.0 license, they can be freely distributed and changed under this license. I.e. if you dont want people to change them you can put it into your user name space (e.g. user:Penninghlhd/Why potatoes doesn't grow…). Usually user namespaces are respected and people doesn't change those works. But than the purpose of Wikiversity is lost if everything is in user namespaces.

Other opportunity is to publish them elsewhere e.g. on your own installation of MediaWiki where you can manage user rights.

So if your works which were placed here will be deleted. It depends if someone already copied them or not. If so he/she/it can freely change them and distribute them under the conditions of cc-by-sa 3.0 license elsewhere.

I.e. once you are an author of a "work" you can share your work under every license you like. I.e. you can share your work here on Wikiversity under cc-by-sa 3.0 license and in the same time share it elsewhere copyrighted and get a money for its use. Only conflict may come if you will see someone who is using that work and he/she didn't pay for the permission, because he/she can say, that it is a reuse of the work you published under cc-by-sa 3.0 licensed. So as an author of the work, you can release it under what license you like and it doesn't depend if these licensed are in conflict.

So in general if conference organizer doesn't call for "exclusive" agreement/license everything is OK.

The problem might came with impacted articles as many of them want "exclusive license", which means that you cant publish the same work elsewhere. But I think you may try to come to terms even you published already that work elsewhere: but it will be hard. As "exclusive agreement/license" is on what the magazine earn.--Juan de Vojníkov 09:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Relationship student-school, teacher-school
Note that you should also know the laws of your country and agreements with your employer. As in some countries (e.g. Czech Republic), if releasing "works" of students even the school/research institute should agree with such release and in the case of teacher or employee only employer gives permission to release it.--Juan de Vojníkov 09:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)