User talk:Recovery Psychology

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Proposed School
The Institute of Recovery Psychology

comments
hello, I'd be glad to give you some advice and help you setup a learning project here. Let me read over what you have added so far and I'll leave you another note with some suggestions. --mikeu 20:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks it will be very much appreciated!--Recovery Psychology 05:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * First, here are a couple helpfull hints on editing. Could you add    to the bottom of each page that is part of this learning project?  It will help organize the content.  For links to Wikipedia you can use an "internal link" which is double square brackets, like this:  Recovery Movement  which looks like this after you save the page: Recovery Movement.  The w: indicates that the page is on wikipedia, the first part before the "|" bar is the name of the page and the part after the bar is the text that you click on.  For external links to non wikimedia websites you use single square brackets with a space between the url and the click on text, like this example:  MCCCD  which looks like this: MCCCD.  I'll read over the pages some more and leave you some suggestions later.  --mikeu 14:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, will do!--Recovery Psychology 02:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, I took a quick look at your edits and didn't see the trouble. But I did notice one thing.  For an internal (interwiki) link to a site like wikipedia or wikiversity that looks like this:  Recovery Movement  you need the vertical bar "|" to seperate the page name from the link text.  For an external link to another website (like youtube) you should not include the bar, but instead use a single space, like this between cpnees and MCCCD as in:  MCCCD   Otherwise, the link will not work.  --mikeu 02:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You were almost there with your edits today. :-) An external link doesn't use the vertical bar at all - this is just for internal links. For example: external links are like Google (note: single brackets, and space instead of vertical bar), giving Google; and internal links are like: community discussion page (note: double brackets, and vertical bar), giving community discussion page. All the best, Cormaggio talk 18:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

template and more comments
I created a navigation template for the project. See the bottom of Recovery psychology/Lesson1 for an example of use. Overall your project seems to be progressing well. I did make some comments at Talk:Recovery psychology/Lesson1. --mikeu talk 18:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Will I be able to copy and paste this template at the bottom of all the pages?--Recovery Psychology 14:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

link with full adresse internet for wikimedia project
I see that you make a link to the wikiversity project using the full adress ( alternative text ) as you doing in this page. Note the the link can be reduce with alternative text. Crochet.david.bot 07:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

short wiki link
A link to an article in english wikipedia is writting  alternativ text  but not  alternative text . Thanks.Crochet.david.bot 20:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you said that before, if you mean that I need to correct some things, I have been doing so--Recovery Psychology 05:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

adding images
"what I thought I would do is squeeze an fMRI picture, Maslow's hierarchy pyramid, or just a raw looking brain picture, like a collage of ecelectic psychology images to be squared left and right checkerboard in to my text"


 * I'd be happy to help, but I'm not sure what you want to do. Do you mean that you want to add some images along the left side of your text and other images along the right side? Have you seen this page? --JWSchmidt 03:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks, that was very helpful--recovery psychologist 04:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

protoscience
>Recovery Psychology is research but would it also be classified as Protoscience

My problem is that I am not familiar with the vast field of psychology and how various topics are categorized. I do not have a clue what is involved with most of the disciplines listed at List of psychology disciplines. It may be the case that what you call "recovery psychology" is implicitly contained within some branch of psychology where it is known by another name or possibly integrated into several related topic areas. I happened to hear part of this show ..... the guest talk about his own personal experiences with mental illness and, as a non-expert, it seemed that what he was particularly interested in could be called "recovery psychology". It might be that the label "protoscience" is appropriate, particularly if there is an effort to develop new systematic ways to study how patients can take control of their own health rather than just adopting the more traditional "the doctor will cure me" approach. I hope it will become possible to make use of tools like the internet and systematically integrate millions of patients into scientific studies of human diversity and health problems. It is a serious scientific/medical challenge to find new ways to move beyond our current system of scientific medicine and traditional top-down medical studies. Can we systematically collect and make use of the data available from the experiences of hundreds of millions of patients? --JWSchmidt 16:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess you have captured a good precentage of what the recovery concept is... however, I guess the philosophical statement I am making or trying to make, is to ask would not the entire science be better if we researched the "recovery" das ding ina sinch? I mean we can go on for eternity defining psychological disorder or defining recovery from a disorder, but what has anyone ever learned about the recovery as a phenomena--recovery psychologist 20:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Statement
Some thoughts about this statement:
 * Remission is the absence of positive symptoms in psychological disorders, meaning that a person’s abnormal behavior(s) has stopped occurring. Where as, recovery is more about the return of normal behavior(s) or the absence of negative symptoms.
 * I'm not sure of context of use; so these suggestions may not be particularly relevant...also, although I work in academic psychology, please note that the clinical/therapeutic/recovery areas are not my specialty. So, these are more like personal views than views which hold much in the way of 'professional standing':


 * The use of "positive" may be confusing unless previously explained. Perhaps you could refer instead to the presence or absence of 'abnormal' or 'dysfunctional' symptomology (or whatever terminology you use). You're more than well aware obviously that all such terms are rather problematic, but nevertheless are common.
 * Remission may be temporary, whereas recovery implies one has journeyed beyond the previous symptoms? Remission in a psychological context is equivalent to remission in medical sense? (e.g., remission of cancer vs. surviving or curing of cancer?)
 * where as -> whereas -- Jtneill - Talk 03:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I respect the personal views of an expert, I guess as theIntuitive aspect that comes from expierince, so please don't sell your personal views short. Of course ethical integrity and honesty is greatly admirable. You have raised great points for discussion, and for me to research...I think change would be a word that can describe terms like onset, symptomology, pathology, offset, remission, and recovery. As I try to bring scientific inquiry to be equal on the side of wellness (David) with the multitudes of research on illness (Goliath) I think as a person becomes ill they undergo the phenomena of negative change (laymans definition of negative) and recovery the positive change (laymans definition of positive), that being a reference to ...may be temporary...journeyed beyond...psychological context is equivalent to remission in medical sense. Thanks for the brain food! (your words)--recovery psychologist 04:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing tip - Using edit summaries

 * Well done; I can say that it really helps as someone looking through edit histories. -- Jtneill - Talk 13:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Wounded healer
This page may also be of interest. FYI, I am supervising a 4th year uni student this year conducting a study to investigate influences on students' decisions/motivation to study psychology. It is testing the 'wounded healer' phenomenon. Happy to share more info if you're interested. Sincerely, James. -- Jtneill - Talk 15:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If the student publishes anything on that and there is a link to it online, I would be interested in reading it (of course when the time comes)--recovery psychologist 14:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, she's nearing completion - 3 weeks to go - will let you know. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

If I google "wounded healer" now; do you think I will find anything to read; related to this?--recovery psychologist 18:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Research Methods in Psychology
IMHO, there's a lot going on in this section: Recovery_psychology/Lesson3, but the basic argument seems sound (to evaluate recovery using the same quantitative criteria for diagnosis). The last third of the section seemed less cogent though that the first two thirds. Hope this might help a little. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

User boxes
Sorry about the delayed reply to your question about your user boxes. I suggest that you ask User:Darklama, he is a wiz at dealing with these kinds of things. --JWSchmidt 15:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Color coding
I presume you mean color coded usernames and signatures ( ~ ). This theoretically could be done in a fairly automated fashion using extensions (see http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions) - i.e. something in settings or at signup will color code user names as necessary when pages are saved. I know of no such extension though. Right now, this could be done manually by users having their signature use HTML mark-up to display whatever color meant which-ever level of education, but it would not show up at Special:RecentChanges (only on wiki pages). Or instead of colors, people could simply create usernames with credentials/titles in the text of the username (John Smith PhD MD MBA, or whatever).

Also, I saw the Recovery Psychology book being nom'd for deletion over at AFD at Wikibooks. It seems unfortunate in general, and then especially if you also would ultimately rather not have it be deleted. It seems like it ought to be appropriate for some Wikimedia projects - either Wikibooks or Wikiversity (if it is original research, just because it is a book, would it not be within the scope of Wikiversity?). And at least it would be appropriate for some wiki somewhere on the internet. :} Emesee 04:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I know I saw that too; the biggest problem is those I am trying to "enlighten" are people who are economically disadvantaged and are for the most part on the other side of the "digital divide"...If I was trying to convince persons in recovery to walk of the NAMI walk, I would be speaking to them in person, and be far more influential...If all the people offline were online...I would a needle in a haystack of writers who have something "recovery psychology" to say (and that's saying they have, have had or tried for actual degrees in clinical psychology prior to an illness)...I may have to have an "infrastructure" or an actual concrete office building as the internet is far too "abstract" for those who need to start thinking for themselves to understand; but then that falls back in to "dependence" which is illness not wellness--recovery psychologist 12:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

sandboxes
Hi, A recovery psychologists Expierimental Sandbox has been moved to User:Recovery Psychology/Expierimental Sandbox. Feel free to create as many sandobx pages as you need in your userspace (ie. User:Recovery Psychology/Sandbox) but it is probably best to keep them out of mainspace to prevent confusion. Others might mistake the page for a learning project and have a more difficult time finding what they are looking for. --mikeu talk 23:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

PTG
I'm marking a thesis called "Resilience, Well-being, and Posttraumatic Growth in Queensland Ambulance Service Paramedics" which piqued my curious about the notion of post-traumatic growth (PTG). I've added a reference there, but curiousity as to whether you're familiar with work around this concept? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I think we do work with this concept in behavioral health in the Arizona mental health system, but I have never heard of this particular term; this I can tell is what I would call an inovation of the recovery concept, a similar procedural attitude is addressed in our training in casemanagement--recovery psychologist 18:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

If anyone is interested in a site that pulls in the real-time conversation about bipolar disorder, check out

Law of Supply and Demand
I was thinking about the law of supply and demand. In my work we speak of "recovery" and "mental health recovery" and I am the one who says that is a pheonomena to be described and studied by the behavior science, and not a professional facet of Behavioral Health Social Workers. However, 2002 the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health set forth this agenda in the U.S. to transform the Mental Health Care System in America to a Recovery oriented system. This makes me question the high number of advertisements for disability lawyers who assist persons in getting put on Social Security Disability (you can google my facts, there are accurate, as I always say...regardless if you disagree or don't understand my interpretation) If mental health workers from 2002-2009 forging a recovery attitude has not yeilded a demand for attorneys who help people get off of disability and there is still a high demand for lawyers that get people disability benefits, then recovery has been disproven by the law of supply and demand. Since it would benefit a person in recovery to not be collecting government funds for disablity.

The commonly statement of Mental Health Recovery which I dare challenge

 * 1) Recovery does not mean the same thing as "cure"--The word CONFORMITY fits in here better than the word "recovery"
 * 2) Recovery is a process not a destination--Again the word CONFORMITY fits in here better than does the word "recovery"

Speedy deletion request on Recovery Psychology
I was looking at requests for speedy deletion and saw that the resource you created had been tagged to be deleted. You may remove the tag if you wish to protest the deletion, but the page, as-is, in my opinion, is not likely to survive a discussion. If you improve the page and make it more accessible as a learning resource, Wikiversity is very tolerant and it might remain. As it is, it's pretty incoherent to me, I was inclined to go ahead and delete it. --Abd 13:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * One more day with no response and I'll delete it. If anyone wants this file back, ask me on User talk:Abd or ask for help from any Custodian at Request custodian action. --Abd 00:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Purely speculative on my part, but I'm guessing this was an old page that was forgotten about at some point. Most of their work is under Recovery psychology. -- dark lama  00:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)