User talk:Ryulong

Warning
Your edit activity here presents an appearance of incivility and cross-wiki harassment of Derenek.

You are welcome to improve Wikiversity resources. We allow original research, as long as it is not presented as accepted science, i.e., mainstream. "Pseudoscience" would generally not be a speedy deletion reason, we handle alleged pseudoscience by framing, often by moving to user space. Derenek, so far, is not blocked on any wiki, so the global lock is very unusual.

As well, you appear to have connected Derenek with a real name, that is outing, and contrary to WMF policy. You are, yourself, blocked on en.wiki, so please respect Wikiversity as a refuge, where users may learn, including learning to be civil and cooperative. Thanks. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 13:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Derenek is using the site to host his garbage pseudoscience. He has used his real name on the Wikimedia Commons in association with the files he has uploaded. He has offered up his identity on his own. It was also on his Wikiversity user page until he deleted it. So don't accuse me of doxxing him when he was very open with his identity until he was caught red handed.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ryulong, you are doing the one thing that could get you blocked here, as you are on Wikipedia, attacking a user. The user did reveal his real name, I know that. However, that does not make it legitimate for you to use it as you did. There was no necessity to use that name, it was uncivil and harassment. Stop it. Derenek is free to "use the site" for his own education and that of others. We will not decide if it is pseudoscience or not; it is obviously not standard physics, and he agrees. In mainspace, top level, pages must be neutral and if push comes to shove, may even need to be verifiable, but that is not true for an attributed essay. We move such away from top level mainspace to subpages that are identified as personal opinions or original research. We don't delete them, unless they are completely useless to anyone and are abandoned. We avoid conflict here and seek consensus. And we practice DefendEachOther.
 * By the way, even though you were "grave-dancing," thanks for mentioning that the user was "globally banned." He wasn't, of course, but his account had been locked, which is not a ban. The user is still unblocked on all WMF wikis. Had you not mentioned that, I'd not have known to look. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 01:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Warning: revert warring
And now you are revert warring. See contributions for June 14. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 01:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Warning
Personal research and essays such as the one posted by Derenek are accepted at Wikiversity. Your approach is not. If you revert edits on this content again, you will be blocked. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 01:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * So letting someone post their thesis and all of their out of scope things on other projects is perfectly fine here?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, posting a thesis that might be out of scope on other projects is perfectly fine here. We don't accept them as main pages, but they are generally accepted as subpages.  That's why the page was moved under the Nonstandard physics learning project and why Abd tagged it as an essay.
 * If you are knowledgeable on the subject, you are welcome to rebut the essay on its talk page, or write a subpage with an opposing viewpoint. But please do not attack others or revert-war.  We are very tolerant of new and different ideas.  We are not at all tolerant of disruptive behaviors.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 03:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be in whatever you consider your mainspace at least. He's abusing process across the network to have his writing retained in some form. Get actual physicists to examine his writing because his personally uploaded and released CV was full of so much bunk that it's highly unlikely that anything he keeps uploading or posting is actually of use to this or other projects.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't be in whatever you consider your mainspace at least - We appreciate your perspective, but this community believes otherwise. Please respect the community's wishes.
 * He's abusing process across the network to have his writing retained in some form. - He's not abusing anything here. If he's abusing process elsewhere, go elsewhere and let them know.
 * Get actual physicists to examine his writing. - It is has been reviewed, moved to Nonstandard physics, and labeled as an essay. No additional review is necessary.
 * his personally uploaded and released CV was full of so much bunk that it's highly unlikely that anything he keeps uploading or posting is actually of use to this or other projects. - You continue to miss the point. Wikiversity isn't about content.  It is about learning.  That includes his opportunity to learn and express himself, and our collective opportunity to learn to understand and accept the perspectives of others, even when we disagree completely with their ideas.
 * Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No one is going to learn anything from whatever vortex science is according to someone who claims to be a warlord in the US army.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:17, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * He is learning from it. He is learning how to share his ideas with the world.  You are learning from it.  You are learning that not all WikiMedia projects focus on the content, and that there are people willing to defend the rights of others to share their ideas, no matter how useful or useless those ideas seem to the rest of us.  If that's the only learning that comes from this page, it will still have been worthwhile.
 * Please accept that Wikiversity does not work the way you want it to. There are plenty of other places that focus on content alone that you can patrol if you wish.  If you hang out here, you're going to either need a different perspective, or you're going to experience a lot of frustration.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 02:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)