User talk:Silviac

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Nice to find you here!
And I really mean it! Wikiversity is not our most active project and we need people willing to share their work here. By the way, some of the articles could also go to the English Wikipedia (as individual articles or -most often- enhancing existing articles) -the challenge of doing so is that a huge community of native speakers will watch and correct the texts. Let's talk about that the next time we meet. Patricio.lorente (talk) 23:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
And let's also talk about what names and data I can mention in the project. --Silviac (talk) 17:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)Silviac--Silviac (talk) 17:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC) 14:55, 7 june 2012

Academic writing/Projects/Argentina
I moved your page "About Argentina" to a subpage as shown above. We would not normally name a mainspace page with a title like that, every resource is about its topic!

The subpage I created with an index will automatically display all pages created underneath it. So that subspace can be used for projects in process. It is okay, in fact, to work in mainspace, but this is a bit more protected. Users may, of course, always work on pages in their user space as well. For for a collaborative project, while in process, I'd recommend that.

I think there is a better way to display the index but I don't remember right now....

Thanks for working on Wikiversity, you are creating some great pages; looking at a few, I see that some formatting might help ... so much to do, so little time. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 21:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

About the changes
Dear Abd, Thanks for the help, but I really think we would need to make some more changes. I don't really think this new project should be considered academic writing, since it's about English for beginners. Besides, the "Academic Writing" project is still in progress, and not completed as it appears now. I'd rather not modify anything until you tell me what options there may be, as I don't know them all. One detail, in case it's relevant: there won't be so many different users editing here, because many of them are too old to be willing to learn how to. There will be a small group of people uploading all the texts. --Silviac 16:02, 29 August 2014 sig added by Abd (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC) Silviac
 * Yes, I noticed that issue, it is, in fact, ESL, more so than "academic writing." I'll think about it. In any case, as we sort this, it's easy to move a subpage structure with a single command, a custodian can do that, so, for now, how about any new projects being in the Projects subspace? I did edit the title for "About Argentina," when I moved it, to be an acceptable mainspace title, but in the Projects subspace, I probably would not edit titles like that. In such a subspace, titles don't matter so much.
 * Most Wikiversity resources are never complete, they are always opportunities for continued "learning by doing." Thanks again for your participation. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 16:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I actually wanted the project to be in the pojects subspace, I just didn't see hout how to do it. In fact, the first one (Academic writing) should be there too, but I don't know if it's a good idea to move it after such a long time because it's been there for years now. I'll be waiting for your suggestions about how to solve this.

One more thing: what am I not doing well here? How do usernames appear at the end of each answer? --Silviac 19:24, 29 August 2014 hopefully the last time I add a Silviac signature. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 04:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)]]
 * That drove me nuts when I was first editing Wikipedia. I tried for hours to figure out how to make the signature. Turns out there is a funny symbol above the edit window with a pen drawing cursive text. Who knew? It adds --~ to the edit cursor position, and when the edit is saved, that is converted to a signature link and timestamp. Of course, once I knew, I manually added the hyphens and tildes. (Three tildes just produces the user name, and five just the timestamp.) The bit about adding the signature is in the welcome template I added to this page in 2011. I get it! Who reads that thing?
 * As to page names, there is no reason to keep a name and page location just because it's been there for years. If incoming links are likely, page moves by ordinary editors leave a redirect in place, so someone coming in will be redirected to the new location. We can expressly state that on the redirect page, so it doesn't get deleted, as orphaned links tend to be (i.e, no links on the wiki to the page). My intention is to look at the situation and assist you. I'll show you whatever you need to know to handle situations in the future.
 * By "Project," do you mean English as a second language?
 * Wikiversity organization was never clearly defined. It's something we need to work on. But it would be easy to move the Academic Writing resource to a subpage of the ESL page. It would simply become English as a second language/Academic writing. I'd say that should be done. What do you think? We would also link the page from the ESL page. Subpage links are easy to enter and easy to maintain. I'd say that the pages that have been created in mainspace as student writing projects should be moved to more appropriate locations, in some cases. They are essays, largely. We can also look at that. One step at a time.
 * In any case, thanks for all your work. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 04:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Now I've seen the signature, I have to admit it was easy to find but, as you say, I hadn't read it! If pages can be moved so easily and there is going to be a redirect, I agree that that is the best idea. What I am thinking about is that I have mentioned this project in a couple of papers I wrote, and I'd like the link to go on working there. When I said "the project" I meant "Academic Writing", but of course I'd like both of them to be in the right place. If there is an ESL page, both projects should naturally be there, not just "Academic writing". I also think that this is the best solution. But they should be kept as separate projects, even if I have started them both. Academic writing is actually mine because my students write there, but the other is for a number of teachers in courses I am in charge of at the Escuela de Lenguas.Some of them are ready to start uploading contributions.Is this something editors do? Because I wouldn't know how to without some help. When you mention the "pages that have been created in mainspace as student writing projects" do you mean the texts that are listed under "Academic writing"? Because I'm not sure about their location either, and I've never had the time to see to that. More than essays, they are brief academic texts for university degree students, so I guess they should be considered that, or dissemination texts. If their location should be changed, we could do that also. I know they need some editing in some cases, but I've never had the time to do that. Thanks for all your help. All that is left now is see if I can sign in the right way.--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 18:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Images
Dear Abd, I need some help. I have just uploaded an image to Wikimedia Commons, which I called "Meridiano V". The thing is that there is another one by the same name which I didn't notice in time, uploaded by Jbover. Besides, when I want to upload it to my project I get this one, not mine. Is there any way to change its name so that they are not both called the same? I can't see the "More" tab I used on other occasions to change names of articles. Thanks in advance --Silviac (discuss • contribs) 20:05, 24 October 2014 (UTC) I have also found out that I can't go back to that image: when I search for images of Meridiano V in Commons I get several, but not mine.--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 19:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Abd is no longer active at Wikiversity. If you have questions, the best place to ask is at the Colloquium.  There is no record of you uploading a file named File:Meridiano V.jpg at Commons.  See Commons:Special:Contributions/Silviac for more information.  You should try to upload the new file again with a different name.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

La Plata Museum
I noticed you recently removed relevant information from the page La Plata Museum. Why was this information removed? -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Because that is not the purpose of what was published at all, it is never going to be a page about La Plata Museum. That topic is part of my writing project (Academic Writing) and it has to be linked there. I had forgotten to link it and of course that made the purpose unclear. Now I have linked it, you will see it under "education" in the project.
 * The question is that I have two projects and, in spite of everything I have already tried to explain, another editor modified it without paying attention to my explanations about how his changes affected the nature of my projects. This change you noticed is one of several that needed to be made to go back to my original idea. I understand that the organisation of the wiki has certain requirements but at the same time the projects have their own requirements, and I don't think my reasons have been respected.--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 16:45, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Regarding La Plata Museum, content moved to subpages of projects will generally be left alone. Content left at the main level is more general and open to editing for a variety of purposes.  Should La Plata Museum be moved to a subpage of Academic writing so that you can feel more free to modify and maintain that content?
 * Separately, the other editor is no longer active here. So, let's back up.  What is your original idea, and what organization would help accomplish that?  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! Moving it to a subpage would be a solution, but then the same should be done for all the other articles published there, which as you will see are dozens. In fact, we are also deciding how to structure the other project, Argentina, which has a lot of text by now and we are about to upload some more. I suppose both projects could improve by opening subpages. How is that done? If I ever did know, I don't remember now. Besides, "la Plata museum" should not exist as the name of a page, as I said before. If the text about the educational project goes to a subpage, then it should be called like that article.
 * Besides that, both projects should be separated, because my second project, about Argentina (Academic writing/Projects/Argentina), appears now as a sort of secondary part of the project about Academic Writing when it is not academic writing at all. But I have already asked Patricio.lorente for help about that, because I don't know how to separate them. If you can help me make this change, I should let him know that he doesn't need to take care of it.--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 18:06, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Class projects can be handled in different ways. One example that's active right now is Motivation and emotion/Book/2015.  Each year gets its own subpage, and then each student has a subpage under that.  Another one that just finished is Federal Writers Project -- Life Histories -- Fall 2015.  There, each course section has a subpage, and then each student has a subpage.  My own course is more integrated.  At Information Systems and Computer Applications, each week has a subpage, and all students edit that one page during the week.  It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish, and whether it is a group effort, or an individual effort that is combined into a group product.
 * Regarding moving a bunch of pages, it is what it is. I have a script (bot) I can use to move hundreds of pages at a time, if need be.  So, the issue isn't the work involved, but the correct structure for the learning project you have in mind.  If content belongs together, we should move it.  If it isn't related, or only mildly related, we should separate it.
 * What structure is appropriate for Academic writing? In your vision, what should it look like?  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

How to organise the projects is not an issue, we did that a long time ago. This is precisely why I insisted so much that they had to be kept apart when they moved them together: I have a clear idea of what I want. Academic Writing should be organised exactly the way it is now, but adding the subpages, which I think is what I see in Motivation and emotion. Am I right? There would be one subpage for each subtitle (agronomy, anthropology, etc). The same goes for "Argentina".

As I said, the contents of these two projects are clearly different and they should be separated, they were never meant to be together and all I need to do is help to separate them again. So what I would need to know is how to create a subpage and how to move the links. Thanks a lot for your help!--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 20:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You can move pages using the Move option on the More menu at the top of any page. If I wanted to move Chemical Control of Weeds and its Implications under Academic writing, I would move the page to Academic writing/Chemical Control of Weeds and its Implications.  Then I would edit the link in the Academic writing page to be /Chemical Control of Weeds and its Implications/ .  This sets up a subpage link to the page.
 * To move Argentina somewhere else, just do the same thing. Use the Move option and give it a new name.  If you want it under something else, use pagename/Argentina.  Links to subpages of other learning projects are spelled out, such as I've done above.  Links to subpages of the same learning project are specified using /title/ syntax.
 * One thing to consider before proceeding is the capitalization you want to use for the project. Some of the pages linked from Academic writing are in Title Case, and some are in Sentence case.  You should pick one or the other and name the pages accordingly as you move them.  In other words, it's either Academic Writing and matching Title Case subpage capitalization, or it's Academic writing and matching Sentence case subpage capitalization.  If you need any help moving pages or correcting links, let me know.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! We've already begun to make changes. Some will be made by Marianaevabgn, who works with me. All seems to be quite clear. --Silviac (discuss • contribs) 20:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Page which already exists but has only a redirect
Hello! I need to open a page called "Spiders" to publish an article written by one of my students, but I have the following problem: the page already exists but has only a redirect to "Arachnology" which is a project. Can I erase the redirect, or how do I publish my student's article? Thanks in advance --Silviac (discuss • contribs) 18:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's actually a redirect to Topic:Arachnology, which isn't even an article, but a department page. You might consider helping your student to publish his or her own article at Spiders rather than doing it for them.  Also note that if you ask questions on your own page, only people following you will see the question.  The best place to ask would be in the Colloquium.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Academic writing/projects
This may be just a detail, but a page with this name was created in the same modification that was made against what I said about the project (it's in the conversation above this one). It doesn't lead anywhere, could it just be eliminated? And how is that done?--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 12:21, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * If you view history on that page, you'll see that it was created at the same time as the discussions above. It isn't new.  That editor is also no longer active, so there won't be any objections to us changing it now.  The page itself may be eliminated.  You can tag it with  .  But before it can be deleted, we need to do something with About Argentina.  If this page is part of Academic writing, it should be moved to Academic writing/Argentina.  If it isn't part of Academic writing, it should be renamed.  Every page in Wikiversity is about something, so starting the title with About is pointless.  We could rename it Argentina, putting it in place of the redirect there.  But a better option would be to split it up, creating a main Argentina page, and then splitting the writing into subpages for Argentina/People, Argentina/Presidents, and Argentina/Tourism, or similar.
 * You need to decide whether what your students are creating is primarily a writing project, meaning a subpage of Academic writing that you want others to leave alone, or if they are creating content for others to learn from, in which case you need to be open to others editing and improving that content. Which way do you want to go with this effort?  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know it isn't new. This is a detail that wasn't solved when I asked you how to make the two projects independent, as they should always have been because this is how I created them. The original problem was, precisely, that what is now called "About Argentina" is not part of the Academic Writing poject but that editor decided to move it there anyway, even when I asked him not to. About the name, it will never really cover all aspects of Argentina because the students who edit there will not be able to deal with some topics, as they are beginner learners of English. This is why I never wanted it to be called just "Argentina" and I added "about", in an attempt to make it clear that only some aspects will be covered. We could leave that name anyway or think of another name for the project. Dividing what we have in this project into subpages is our next step, and the reason why I had asked you before how to do it. I am now creating subpages in "Academic Writing" to begin with.
 * As I said before, this has always been a writing project, and one that is independent from Academic Writing. The problem has never been that I haven't decided that but that what I planned and decided for my students from the beginning was not respected. I'd like to solve this once and for all to go on just doing the work that is necessary. Thanks in advance. --Silviac (discuss • contribs) 14:07, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Clearly there is misunderstanding in what you are trying to do. What I don't know yet is whether it is my misunderstanding of your vision, or your misunderstanding of how Wikiversity works.  If you want to create a project that others will leave alone, that is done with subpages.  If you want to create a project that others will feel free to edit, move, etc., that is done with main pages.  About Argentina is currently a main page.  If you want it to stay as About Argentina, we should move it somewhere more protected.  Otherwise, it is open to be renamed and edited as anyone else wishes.
 * Please describe exactly what your vision is, as I'm not understanding it yet. Thanks!  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:39, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Probably I wasn't clear enough. What I have tried to do from the beginning is precisely a project that will be left alone, like Academic Writing, but I simply haven't had the time (and enough knowledge about how to do edit in this wiki) to finish shaping it. In fact, someone who was working with me added text but didn't understand it well enough and has made things a little more difficult. Now I'll finish organising this myself. As I say, "About Argentina" is now work in progress, but it will have subpages and I'd like it to keep its name. Where would "somewhere safer" be? The rest of what I can say is pedagogical: we have created a project for students of English in the first years of their studies to write and publish a short text in English. As they know little grammar, we cannot publish those texts on Wikivoyage or Wikipedia. We do the same for more advanced students, but these do publish on Wikivoyage. So this is the main idea: I have been trying to create projects that will be left alone, I don't need any pedagogical help for that but I do need some assistance to edit here. I think I know almost all I need by now, though.--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 15:10, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll wait until the location of "About Argentina" is decided upon - what more protected place do you suggest moving it to? - to create the subpages, as I'm not sure if it makes any difference when you move pages.--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 20:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I applaud you for using Wikiversity for these projects. Projects serve two purposes.  The first is a learning experience for those creating the project.  The second is for those who later view, and perhaps contribute to the project.  About Argentina isn't a title we would use to help others learn about Argentina.  It would just be named Argentina.  I understand that your students wouldn't make it a complete article, but if it's at the top level, it is available for others to extend and make more complete.
 * As for alternatives, we can make it a subpage of anything else that would make sense. For example, Guy vandegrift has created folders for his classes under the name of the institution.  See Wright State University Lake Campus.  Others have students create their writing projects under the subject.  See Data Networking and Menomonie, Wisconsin History for examples.  One of our long-time contributors has his students write a book every year.  See Motivation and emotion/Book.  What makes more sense for your students?  Should the content be under the subject, or under a container for your school, or a more general container for student writing?  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:28, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Most of our students are in their 70s or 80s, you should see how proud they feel to be able to publish this! If I add the name of the school to the name, that makes a lot more sense to the students and me, so I'll do that and rename the project Argentina. Should that be done by using "move"? And if I use the name of the school in Spanish, will that be objected to?--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 20:41, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The name of the school should be fine. It wouldn't hurt if you have a picture of the school with the sign out front showing that as its actual name.  Then you can have /About Argentina as a subpage and it should be left alone as a student project.  That design also allows you to extend the project with other About pages written by your students later.  And the new students will be able to see the accomplishments of previous students.
 * To do this, I would create the school page first, then move About Argentina to school name/About Argentina. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 21:43, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for all your help! See the end result in Escuela de Lenguas UNLP. It's almost finished!--Silviac (discuss • contribs) 21:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Those look good. I've moved the rest of the subpages from Academic Writing over.  When you have a lot of pages to move, it's easier to ask a custodian for assistance.  We can move without creating redirects.  Also note for subpage links, you only need to enter /Subpage Title/.  The full path isn't necessary.  I've corrected the explicit links.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:41, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your last changes. Now I am trying to edit again, and I see that all the items in Agronomy have disappeared! Could this have anything to do with your moving the subpages over? I'm not sure how to read the revision history to understand what has happened. --Silviac (discuss • contribs) 13:10, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Now corrected. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding so soon! --Silviac (discuss • contribs) 13:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)