User talk:Yvessimon1

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You do not need to be an educator to edit. You only need to be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage. See you around Wikiversity! --Abd (discuss • contribs) 02:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I moved a page you created to your user space, it seems that's what you intended to do from what you did with User:Yvessimon1/Phd. I've requested speedy deletion of the redirect at Educational background because it's not a Wikiversity resource, just a simple error in where you put the page. I edited your user page to fix the links, as you can see if you look at page history. The forward slash before a name causes the name to be interpreted as a subpage of the current page, and the slash after it then suppresses display of the slash. I hope this is okay. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 02:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

The following content was moved from User talk:Abd

Yvessimon1 (discuss • contribs) 23:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)== Hello, ==

I went to my user page, created the link in that page and created the page "Educational Background". I don't understand why the page was moved since I created a link of that page in my user page. I realized earlier that I couldn't log in my account even though my login credentials were correct. Then I was able to log when I found my page. Can you clarify?

End moved content. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 19:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, you have a series of misunderstandings which might also be combined with some simple slips.


 * If you name a page with a link, as you did with Educational background, that link, having no prefix, refers to mainspace. You clearly intended to create a user space page, not a mainspace page. What you wanted was User:Yvessimon1/Educational background. You could also point to the same page with the wikitext /Educational background/, which will display only "Educational background" but which will actually point to a subpage of the current page. If you placed that here, it would refer to User talk:Yvessimon1/Educational background because this page is User talk:Yvessimon1.


 * You created the link on your user page, I think, then went to the link and edited it with your educational background. But it was in mainspace, not your user space, because of how you named it. You must explicitly place a page in your user space if you want that, i.e., include "User:Yvessimon1", a slash, and your desired page name, or use subspace naming, with the slash or slashes as I showed above. One slash at the beginning will display with the slash, putting a slash at the end suppresses the slash display. Both versions will point, then, to a subpage. There are more details, but this should get you going.


 * Then, placing your question on my user page, you put it at the top, which is the opposite of where we expect new "talk" to be placed. I didn't see it up there. Place new comments at the bottom. Use the Add topic tab at the top of any Discussion page to add a new section. Don't edit the whole page! (Unless there are no sections already existing.)


 * If you do want to create a section, it must be on its own line, with the equal signs on each side.


 * You placed your signature (you used the tildes, probably) at the beginning, and immediately added the desired section header. That caused the section header not to be recognized as one, resulting in what you see above. Sign posts at the end!


 * And again, welcome to Wikiversity. I remember my first edits on Wikipedia, where I was totally confused about signatures, I thought people were manually adding their names and the timestamp, so I made talk page edits and then got the time from history and added it.... Seemed like a pain in the neck! How did such a stupid process get established? However, sometimes what is obvious to people familiar with some software can be quite obscure for someone who just doesn't have the background. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 19:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * One more question I see you had. What page you are looking at has nothing to do with log-in. To log in you need to know your user name and password, and that's all. Press Log in, and enter them correctly. "User:" is not part of the user name, your user name is only "Yvessimon1". If your "login credentials" were correctly entered, as you had established them, you could log in. This does not change the page you are looking at. It would change the links at the top of the page, showing links to "Yvessimon1 My discussion Preferences Watchlist Contributions Log out". Your user name there is a link to your User page. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Yvessimon1/Open Popular University
I moved this page into your user space because it could be considered "spam." Pages like this often get deleted immediately. Some users here also don't like that Wikiversity is used to "advertise" a "competing School." I don't think that way, and my hope is that cooperation can be developed. Please be careful with mentioning Open Popular University here, though. If you want to do that in mainspace, I suggest asking for help. I'll be happy to look at anything, and I will support carefully placed mentions that are not likely to cause disruption.

You may have additional freedom, as a political matter, after you have done more work developing Wikiversity resources. In any case, I wish you and your project well. I am editing your user page, because the redirect will likely be deleted, I've asked for that. You may remove the speedy deletion tag on the redirect -- if this (Open Popular University) is not a redlink, it has not yet been deleted -- and revert my change to your user page, but I do not recommend it. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 02:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

About abd comments
My project doesn't intend to compete but rather seeking collaboration with other projects of similar nature and people who might be interested in. I have consulted other university pages before posting my page in the main space. Having seen and noticed that many educational institutions have put their projects in the main space I thought I would not have any problem. I have always appreciated any Wikimedia projects and defended any of them against any criticism because of their openness. I would love to be pointed out to the set of rules so that I know exactly what to do while I am trying to stay in the limits of the Creative Commons/share-Alike license and based on that I will not put anything of commercial nature here. I appreciate the fact that you mention Wikiversity should be seen as a place of collaboration rather than competition. If the goal of Wikiversity is to share knowledge openly and freely with collaboration anybody should share this view so that the success should not be only individual but collective. I haven't found people here with whom to share ideas and collaborate and I think the goal is not to put something in one's space or in the main space without interaction but to interact with other people and to learn better how things work here. --Yvessimon1 (discuss • contribs) 22:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yvessimon1, what I wrote is not a claim that you did something wrong. Yes, there are other pages on specific schools. These will probably all be moved from where they are, if they are at the top level in mainspace. There are many ways to develop and encourage interaction. You haven't been doing what it would take. I look at your contributions, and it is all about you.
 * There is no "set of rules." Would you like to help develop them? Get involved! What I've been doing, for some years, is following a vision of an organized and highly useful Wikiversity that also allows high freedom of expression. That's why your page was moved to your user space and not proposed for deletion!


 * That it has been moved to your user space is not a final decision, by any means. It's really just my opinion, though there is already one likely support for that opinion, in the deletion of the redirect. Again, that's not final. You could appeal that at the administrator Talk page and, if that doesn't produce a satisfactory result, you could go to WV:RFD.


 * Now that the redirect is in place, you could even move the page back to mainspace.


 * But I don't recommend it, because the likely outcome -- my opinion -- is that the page would end up deleted. If you are patient and work with this community, you will find that the community will work with you.


 * We will have (maybe already have?) a resource on schools of various kinds. Your page might be moved there. What I'm suggesting is that you get involved with Wikiversity, beyond just using it as a place to announce yourself and describe your school. When there has been adequate preparation, you page may well end up back in mainspace, just not at the top level, as a stand-alone page on your school alone, but as a classified resource.


 * I see the top level in mainspace as referring, generally, to topics, where each topic is something notable. That is not a rigid standard, and it is definitely not an inclusion standard, because pages on non-notable topics certainly may exist. It's just a form of classification that will make Wikiversity content far more accessible.


 * You have not found anyone participating in your resource here. Have you wondered why? The page is in a primitive state. The content is unattractive. There is nothing to attract people to the page. There are no cross-links, and there is no categorization. (There is an issue about categorizing pages that are in user space. I consider it unresolved. There are reasons not to allow user space categorization; rather if a user page is related to some topic, there may be a link on a Talk page of a resource on the topic to the user page, that's how I'll be suggesting we handle this.) This is similar to a class having links to student homework or essays in user space. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 22:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)