Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/June 2021

The right perspective for approaching a wikidebate
and others:

Dialectic "a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned methods of argumentation"

Eristic "argument that aims to successfully dispute another's argument, rather than searching for truth"

To encourage productive discourse in Wikidebates and at large, I'd like to add these definitions to the Wikidebate guidelines, and recommend that contributors use dialectic rather than eristic. In many other venues, political discussion usually takes the form of eristic, and I believe this a very bad cultural habit. Additionally, I don't think contributors should necessarily have to contribute in favor of both (or all) sides of a debate, though it may be useful at times to do so. Thoughts? AP295 (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, I wasn't sure whether to put this suggestion on the Wikidebate talk, the Wikidebate guidelines talk, or somewhere else. Please let me know, and I will move it if this is not the right place, though it might attract more commenters here. It may be more useful to have the discussion here, and then move it to the relevant talk page if a consensus is reached, just because there seems to be very little traffic on Wikiversity talk pages at present. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 17:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Of course, I'm taking for granted that the objective of a debate should be to establish truth when the issue at hand is a matter of fact, or reach fair compromise where there are conflicting interests, and not merely to practice rhetoric. In grade school we were occasionally assigned to hold a debate and construct arguments. I found this a thoroughly useless exercise, because at no point did our instructors set forward any particular objective or goal aside from "disputing another's argument." We were just arguing for the sake of arguing and accomplished nothing. Did we earn credit for lateral thinking or reaching any particular objective? No, we earned credit for regurgitating all the common talking points. It was an exercise in compliance and mimicry. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 16:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikiversity support labs and practical activities?
I am looking for a wiki for Labs, Workshop, DIY and Factory, that is, for all the practical activities and procedures. I have layed out a draft at WikiSpore:Works Spore. Its scope is all the physical making activities and the purpose to provide "a free platform for makers, DIY, and Open-Source Hardware and Manufacturing enthusiasts to collaboratively design and develop open manufacturing solutions for the humanity; to share knowledge and instructions about Manufacturing." It needs to even provide support Massive open online Labs (MOOL), start task projects to solve human issues, as well as to act as a repository for designs and plans for 3D printing, manufacturing, etc. These all seem to complement the present Services, but I could not find any procedure or experiment related content on Wikiversity. So, are these allowed in Wikiversity? Thank you! Vis M (discuss • contribs) 11:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * See Mission. Yes, I believe the things you mentioned would be appropriate for Wikiversity. For one example / approach to lab activities, see IT Fundamentals. For a MOOC approach, see Web Science. I do have two cautions, though.
 * You may have problems uploading 3D printing plans or other binary files. I'm not sure what the file format is, but we're fairly limited in those options. You might want to try one first and see how it goes.
 * We're careful to only link to other free communities and/or resources. Links to sites that use extensive advertising or other profit approaches for content hosting are best left out.
 * Go ahead and start creating what you have in mind and let us know how it goes. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 03:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you! Vis M (discuss • contribs) 08:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 1
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== Please provide input here or on Meta and during an upcoming Global Conversation on 26-27 June 2021 about the Movement Charter drafting committee ==

Hello, I'm one of the Movement Strategy and Governance facilitators working on community engagement for the Movement Charter initiative.

We're inviting input widely from users of many projects about the upcoming formation of the Movement Charter drafting committee. You can provide feedback here, at the central discussion on Meta, at other ongoing local conversations, and during a Global Conversation upcoming on 26 and 27 June 2021.

The Movement Charter drafting committee is expected to work as a diverse and skilled team of about 15 members for several months. They should receive regular support from experts, regular community reviews, and opportunities for training and an allowance to offset costs. When the draft is completed, the committee will oversee a wide community ratification process.

Further details and context about these questions is on Meta along with a recently-updated overview of the Movement Charter initiative. Feel free to ask questions, and add additional sub-sections as needed for other areas of interest about this topic.

If contributors are interested in participating in a call about these topics ahead of the Global Conversation on 26 and 27 June, please let me know. Xeno (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

The three questions are:
 * 1) What composition should the committee have in terms of movement roles, gender, regions, affiliations and other diversity factors?
 * 2) What is the best process to select the committee members to form a competent and diverse team?
 * 3) How much dedication is it reasonable to expect from committee members, in terms of hours per week and months of work?
 * 1) How much dedication is it reasonable to expect from committee members, in terms of hours per week and months of work?
 * 1) How much dedication is it reasonable to expect from committee members, in terms of hours per week and months of work?

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