Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/November 2021

Special:Import
Users with rights (Curators, Custodians) are currently able to use Special:Import to import from Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Commons, Simple Wikipedia, and Beta Wikiversity. There is a discussion at Wikivoyage that would require importing an article from there before it is deleted.

According to meta:Help:Import, adding a wiki to import from requires a community discussion and vote. Please indicate whether you support Curators and Custodians being able to import from Wikivoyage. If there are other wikis we should add while we're requesting, please note that in discussion. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Discussion
I'm sometimes asked to help with translations which could be better performed here by importing the article here, e.g., Messel Pit, which is rich with fossil descriptions, on the German Wikipedia. The additional coverage could then be added to the English Wikipedia articles, e.g., Messel Formation or Messel pit. Perhaps confirmed users should be allowed to import rather than having to request a Curator, Custodian or Bureaucrat to do it. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 06:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Vote

 * adding import from Wikivoyage, as proposer. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No issues at all. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 14:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * per proposer. &mdash;Hasley talk  21:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ---Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 00:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * adding import from Wikivoyage -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See note in Discussion. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 06:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't see a problem --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 03:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * sounds like a good idea to me Redwidgeon (discuss • contribs) 01:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * in comparison to "special:import" importer with export-import workflow may have less side effects. Especially "special:import" may have a lot of dependencies due to the history of using templates in the Wiki source that is intended to be imported. I did not dig into the underlying code, but importer may be less vulnerable to such template dependencies.--Bert Niehaus (discuss • contribs) 07:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Outcome
The community supports adding import from Wikivoyage. Discussion was open for more than a month. There is support from bureaucrats, custodians, curators, and other users. There are no objections noted. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested as T294928 -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Importer
According to Importer, an alternative approach to importing an article from another wiki is to export it and then Upload Import. Upload Import requires being a member of Importer. We don't currently have any importers, and no one has the right to assign someone to the Importer group.

Do we want Bureaucrats or Bureaucrats and Custodians to be able to assign users to the Importer role? Without this role, we need to request stewards to upload import for us. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I would like Bureaucrats to be able to add and remove trusted users from the Importer group. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Would there be any issues in Custodians being able to give the Importer rights too? —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 14:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * None that I know of. But as I understand it, the process is relatively complex. My guess is that, in practice, this would be similar to the interface administrator or bot rights. While it could be granted to any custodian or curator, it needs to be someone familiar with the technical details (editing XML files, etc.). Since those are currently granted by bureaucrat, I would do the same with importer. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm curious what is a practical use case for uploadimport here on en.wv - when/why would would it make sense over import? e.g., have we already been doing this via stewards? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If we had the ability to uploadimport, we wouldn't need to have individual wiki source discussions like the one above. If there was a one-off request for something like Wikivoyage, or any of the non-English wiki projects, we would be able to process that request without waiting for a community vote and a Phabricator configuration change. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, Dave, that makes sense -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I can see how this would be useful even though it could appear to add extra complication of an additional user group, it's simplify processes and spread load more evenly. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 23:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Vote

 * as proposer -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 00:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * for bureaucrat -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 23:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 19:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * for Bureaucrat --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 03:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . &mdash;Hasley talk  16:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * see comment above --Bert Niehaus (discuss • contribs) 07:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Outcome
The community supports allowing Bureaucrats to grant and revoke the Importer right. Discussion was open for more than a month. There is support from bureaucrats, custodians, and curators. There are no objections noted. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested as T294930 -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Extension:WikiSEO
I'm looking to include meta tags in the citation_* format to WikiJounal pages (see Template:Article Gscholar). However, all  and   are converted to   and , so doesn't get correctly identified by search engines or index correctly.

It turns out that Extension:WikiSEO directly addresses these problems. Would it be possible to install this extension with  in the LocalSettings.php? T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 02:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * This requires a vote and a Phabricator request. While we're at it, please review the Import discussions above which are in a similar situation. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to be installed on any WMF wikis at the moment, so it will need to go through security review. Just a heads up that it'll probably be a while before this can be done, especially if there is no WMF team supporting the request to prioritize security review --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 03:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This extension can add proprietary tags for Twitter, which I suspect wouldn't be wanted on a Wikimedia site. These can be turned off with the following I think: &mdash; Sam Wilson ( Talk &bull; Contribs ) &hellip; 02:19, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Useful to know that it might take a little while. I'm not much of a phabricator user. What would the next steps there need to be? T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 10:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think probably an initial Phabricator task to request adding it, so it can be discussed with a wider group than just here. Then, if it's decided that it's wanted and feasible, a second task to undertake security review. The issues that I can think of with WikiSEO are around the ways it overlaps with other existing features (e.g. short descriptions, page images). &mdash; Sam Wilson ( Talk &bull; Contribs ) &hellip; 02:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've created T294885 to get the ball rolling. If people think I've jumped the gun with only 2 weeks voting let me know and I'll postpone. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 03:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Requesting wiki configuration changes, for the records. --AKlapper (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 14:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Historically, one week was sufficient time on a proposal. Two weeks is fine if there's sufficient engagement. But we should close the discussion and document the outcome. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Voting

 * as proposer -- T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * per proposer. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 06:49, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I was going to make the same request for use with Eventmath! We'd mainly use the basic functionality and the Twitter generator, both of which are included in the default configuration. Adding the Citation generator to the default configuration makes sense to me, per the proposal.--Greg at Higher Math Help (discuss • contribs) 04:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Outcome
The community supports adding the WikiSEO extension, pending broader WMF approval. Discussion was open for two weeks. There is support from bureaucrats, custodians, and other users. There are no local community objections noted. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested as T294885 by User:Evolution and evolvability -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members
The Movement Charter Drafting Committee election and selection processes are complete.


 * The election results have been published. 1018 participants voted to elect seven members to the committee: Richard Knipel (Pharos), Anne Clin (Risker), Alice Wiegand (Lyzzy), Michał Buczyński (Aegis Maelstrom), Richard (Nosebagbear), Ravan J Al-Taie (Ravan), Ciell (Ciell).
 * The affiliate process has selected six members: Anass Sedrati (Anass Sedrati), Érica Azzellini (EricaAzzellini), Jamie Li-Yun Lin (Li-Yun Lin), Georges Fodouop (Geugeor), Manavpreet Kaur (Manavpreet Kaur), Pepe Flores (Padaguan).
 * The Wikimedia Foundation has appointed two members: Runa Bhattacharjee (Runab WMF), Jorge Vargas (JVargas (WMF)).

The committee will convene soon to start its work. The committee can appoint up to three more members to bridge diversity and expertise gaps.

If you are interested in engaging with Movement Charter drafting process, follow the updates on Meta and join the Telegram group.

With thanks from the Movement Strategy and Governance team Xeno (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation
Please see meta:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation. At some point, the wiki environment will change so that anonymous users have a session ID rather than an IP address. There would effectively become two different types of anonymous users, those with a new session and returning anonymous users who don't clear their cookie but also don't have a username for login. Administrators would still be able to access IP address information for session users through a new right that will be added. Review the meta: proposal and comment there if you have any concerns. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * for that procedure, because it does not expose the IP address of users to the public. Bert Niehaus (discuss • contribs) 15:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Discord
A new user has proposed Wikiversity setting up a Discord server. More likely, this would be a Wikiversity channel on the existing Wikimedia Discord server. See Discord for more information and discussion. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 01:12, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

An "english-wikiversity" channel has been added to the Wikimedia Discord server! See Discord for more information. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Importupload right to bring in PLOS Topic Page review articles
I'm looking to import approx 40 pages and their edit history under CCBY4.0 from an external wiki (topicpageswiki.plos.org), specifically, those within this category (full XML dumps available via their Special:Export page). However to import these XML dumps, requires the importupload user right (a user right that currently noone on wikiversity has but can be granted by a bureaucrat).

I would therefore like to propose that the right is applied to either Dave_Braunschweig or Jtneill (alternatively I am happy to have the userright applied to me if they prefer). What do people think? T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 10:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Since no one has expressed any concerns, I will grant User:Evolution and evolvability the ImportUpload right for a week to test and upload this content. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 01:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have now completed the intended imports so am happy to have the ImportUpload right removed again.
 * Pages in the category Category:PLOS_Topic_Pages
 * All files from topicpageswiki.plos.org that were not already on Commons (mostly in the drafts/preprints)
 * A few lightweight templates
 * Some observations:
 * The maximum filesize allowed to be imported appears to be ~15Kb. Since the exported XML of pages with lots of revisions can easily be much larger than that, it can be necessary to manually go into the XML file and split the  sections (being careful to maintain the XML header info) into multiple files. Generally mainspace articles can't be batched together, but talk, files, and templates are generally smaller and have fewer revisions so can be batched.
 * I should have done the prefix editing ( ->  ) by batch find-replace in my folder of XML files.
 * Importing files across only imports the description, not the file itself, so these still have to be manually uploaded.
 * One persisting issue:
 * topicpageswiki used the old template:cite_pmid system. This seems to call some lua module via, but I've no idea how it works, so the system is broken here. Any ideas for getting it working here? Even if it were temporary, might might make it possible to substitute those references before deprecating the cite_pmid system again.
 * I've a little cleanup to do moving articles to subpages to organise them a bit better, but overall seems to have worked well.
 * T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 02:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've also pinged w:Template_talk:Cite_pmid regarding the template:cite_pmid situation. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 04:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community Tech: The future of the Community Wishlist Survey
Hello!

We, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on ,  on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda


 * Changes to the Community Wishlist Survey 2022. Help us decide.
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 * Questions and answers

Format

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We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, Spanish, German, and Italian. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

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We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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Please help small wikis struggling with copyrights / invitation to meta discussions
There are 2 open discussions on meta (principal discussion case) about problems of some wikis with copyright infringements. Please look into them, particularly if your wiki is not affected. Otherwise, unfortunately, such discussions are either ignored, or dominated by users denying such problems. Thank you. Taylor 49 (discuss • contribs) 23:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)