Wikiversity:Motto contest/Round 4

These are the instructions and results of round 4 for the motto and slogan contests:

Round 4
Please list your name below in support of only one motto group and only one slogan group.

In round 4, partly following the lead of the Wikiversity logo contest, similar mottos and slogans remain grouped together. Also following the lead of the logo contest, this selection round started with a blank slate. For round 4, in both contests, alternates from both the motto and slogan contests having support from at least four people are included.

The winning motto and winning slogan will be the options with strong majority support. A Round 5 may be needed to select amongst group alternates or resolve approximate ties.

Please share comments in the comment section below that help explain the meaning and intent of mottos and slogans.

List of Mottos
The motto contest fulfills two purposes as discussed in the goals section above. As noted, this contest now includes all options receiving support of four or more persons from both the motto and slogan contests. Please select one option:

Motto: "Set learning free" group

 * a. Because knowledge should be free.
 * b. Set Learning Free.
 * c. Knowledge is free. (Note: This variation, and similar ones, emerged in discussion points.)
 * Support:
 * 1) I support the "knowledge is free" option suggested above.  The Jade Knight 23:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm all for the "Knowledge is free" option :) --Pedro.Gonnet 09:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Mathboy965 16:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Support "Because knowledge should be free". --Cloud668 18:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Support for 'knowledge is free' Trevor Reid 20:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Definitely "Because knowledge should be free" --Harriska2 9:48, 08 November 2006 PST
 * 7) I Support the "knowledge is free" option.  Prasoon 09:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) I suport "Knowledge is free" Heltec

Motto: "Opening minds..." group

 * a. Opening minds through open learning.
 * b. Open learning to open minds. (Note: This variation, and similar ones, emerged in discussion points.)
 * Support:
 * 1) Hardern 16:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Support the "Open learning to open minds" option.  Prasoon 09:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Motto: "Open/free learning community" group

 * a. Open learning community / An open learning community
 * b. Free learning community / A free learning community
 * Support:
 * 1) sebmol ? 09:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Preferably a (to go along with the "opening minds.." slogan) - though possibly without the indefinite article, ie "Open learning community". Cormaggio 18:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Alarob 21:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC) (who hasn't created a user page yet)
 * 4) 'Open' describes this project best. Awolf002 00:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Wikiversity spirit. guillom 10:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 6)  I like a also.  --Smithgrrl 02:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) a. Matteo 01:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Without anything more inspiring, I would supporta. But I would reorder the words into Community for Open Learning, with the emphasis on Community.--Hillgentleman 05:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) a. or b. -- Reswik 18:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) a. or b. as well (got motto and slogan confused)--Rayc 21:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Motto: "three principles" group

 * a. Learn. Teach. Know.
 * b. Read. Learn. Share.
 * Support:
 * 1) The 'Learn. Teach. Know. ' option has the best 'feel' for a motto to me. - Talonhawk 04:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) The "Learn.  Teach.  Discover" option, then.  The Jade Knight 21:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) I. Like. It. Rayc 06:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC) I think I got motto and slogan confused.

Motto: "open/free education/learning" group

 * a. Open education / Free education.
 * b. Open learning / Free learning.
 * Support:
 * 1) --Alexscho 20:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Motto: "world wide wisdom" group

 * World Wide Wisdom
 * Support:
 * 1) SBL 20:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) anon. on 11 November 2006
 * 3) Aidan 17:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Motto: "learn and teach"

 * Where teachers learn and learners teach.
 * Support:
 * 1) Soahc 0 21:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) See my comments below Deltinu 06:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Slogans
This can be a short sentence or phrase - for listing at top of main page with "Welcome to Wikiversity". As noted above, by the end of round three, the initial alternates below received support from at least four people in either the motto or the slogan contest. Please list your support under one option group:

Slogan: "set learning free" group

 * a. Because knowledge should be free.
 * b. Set Learning Free.
 * c. Knowledge is free. (Note: This variation, and similar ones, emerged in discussion points.)
 * Support:
 * 1) I support the "knowledge is free" option suggested above.  The Jade Knight 23:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm all for the "Knowledge is free" option :) --Pedro.Gonnet 09:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Mathboy965 16:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Still the most pithy way to put it (b or c). But maybe not a good motto so use it as the slogan, please. Awolf002 00:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Changed vote to "Knowledge is free." Talonhawk 22:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Support: "Because knowledge should be free" Think outside the box 12:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Support: "Knowledge is free." Trevor Reid 21:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Definitely "Because knowledge should be free" --Harriska2 9:48, 08 November 2006 PST
 * 9) Supportting "Set Learning Free." Prasoon 09:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) b. 'set learning/knowledge free' --Aidan 17:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Slogan: "opening minds..." group

 * a. Opening minds through open learning.
 * b. Open learning to open minds. (Note: This variation, and similar ones, emerged in discussion points.)
 * Support:
 * 1) --Smithgrrl 05:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Cormaggio 18:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) --Alexscho 20:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) --CaseInPoint 13:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) -- Matteo 01:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) -- Reswik 18:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Slogan: "open/free learning community" group

 * a. Open learning community / An open learning community / Community for Open Learning
 * b. Free learning community / A free learning community
 * Support:
 * 1) Plainly. Opening minds or not, let the events speak for themselves. Hillgentleman
 * 2) Support for "Community for Open Learning" Prasoon 09:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Slogan: "three principles" group

 * a. Learn. Teach. Know.
 * b. Read. Learn. Share.
 * Support:
 * 1) I. Like. It. Rayc 21:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Slogan: "open/free education/learning" group

 * a. Open education / Free education.
 * b. Open learning / Free learning.
 * Support:

Slogan: "world wide wisdom" group

 * World Wide Wisdom
 * Support:
 * 1) SDiwanji 11:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Slogan: "learn and teach"

 * Where teachers learn and learners teach.
 * Support:
 * 1) See my comments below Deltinu 06:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments
The comments sections for mottos and slogans have been combined for this stage:

Comments:"set learning free" group

 * Because knowledge should be free.
 * This one would be better if 'because' was dropped, 'because ' seems like we have to justify Wikiversity, "Knowledge should be free" is more powerful. CharlieCLC
 * Why even make it conditional? "Knowledge is free" is even more powerful. Pedro.Gonnet 09:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not borrow from Shakespeare? "Thought is free" (The Tempest) --Lord Pheasant 03:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't light my desire to learn.-Hillgentleman 09:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The use of "Because" is very pertinent - it is a bit of a direct lashing out at the publishing companies and the idea that you NEED to pay for knowledge. Many people without the knowledge or understanding of the principles behind wikimedia, GNU, etc might be surprised that there is alternative.  The word "Because" brings that to light. --Harriska2 9:48, 08 November 2006 PST
 * I think the "Because" is awful - this slogan proposes that we have at the top of our front page: "Welcome to Wikiversity - because knowledge should be free". This doesn't even make sense as a sentence. I agree with Harriska2 that we are making a case for the freedom of knowledge, but I think we should make that case implicitly, rather than have to shout it out. Wikipedia doesn't have to cry out "because knowledge should be free" - it just says it implicitly. Cormaggio 18:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, use because somewhere else such as a slogan. I agree that it sounds terrible: "Welcome to Wikiversity - because knowledge is free"--Harriska2 11:24, 08 November 2006 PST
 * I'd also make the point that this phrase is entirely inappropriate for a motto. The motto is meant to be a short description of the project on the front pages of other sister projects. It should be just that - a description of the project. About half of the currently proposed mottos are completely unusable - they don't describe what the project is or does. Cormaggio 23:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Also, just to clarify, I was talking firstly about this is as a slogan - which goes at the top of the front page of Wikiversity. Mottos are what go on the front pages of other projects, like Wikipedia. In my view, to repeat, this proposal is a bad idea for a slogan - but far worse as a motto. Cormaggio 08:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Set Learning Free
 * Pithy and to the point. Although I like the "Three Nouns" approach, too, cleary we must have the word Free in the motto! Awolf002 00:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the context free is used in, meaning available and accessible. CharlieCLC
 * It doesn't motivate me.-Hillgentleman 09:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)




 * Knowledge Is Free


 * Free learning tools
 * used on Wikibooks main page with Wikiversity logo -- selected by ?
 * It doesn't light a fire in my heart.-Hillgentleman 09:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Free learning materials and activities
 * used on Wikipedia with Wikiversity logo -- selected by ?
 * It doesn't sound like a Motto. A motto is a set of words you keep for youself, and keep yourself going. Would you work hard for the Free Learning Communuty, or for Truth, Beauty,Wisdom? -Hillgentleman 09:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Another alternative: How about a wordplay? "Priceless knowledge, at no price!" Bhaswar
 * Suggested by Ngober: "Learning Together Freely" and "Freedom to Learn" or "Priceless Knowledge" and "Free Knowledge for Freedom of Thought"
 * Suggested by anon. on 11/10/06: Learning across Boundaries.

Comments: "opening minds..." group

 * Opening minds through open learning
 * See my comment about "openness" under "an open learning community" in the motto comment section. Reswik 15:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also: Perhaps including "free" in a variant of the above is a better fit for the Wikiversity context? -- Reswik 13:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC). As in:
 * Opening minds through free learning

I like the parallel "open" idea, catchy! But I don't think we're taking full advantage of the versatility of the word "open". An adjective - verb parallel might sink it better... Other alternatives -- CaseInPoint 23:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Opening school to open minds would be my preference.
 * Open school, open minds
 * Open learning to open minds
 * Open teaching to open minds
 * etc.

Comments: "open/free learning community" group

 * An open learning community
 * I switched my vote from "free learning community" to this for various reasons, including: 1) the appeal of the rich connotations of openness in the context of learning, in spite of my agreeing with the "free" side of debate in the politics of open source vs. free software; 2) the resonance with the slogan with most support below (so far) which uses "open."; 3) this offers our to-be-extensive project an opportunity to contribute (in discussions and on possible page(s) of explanation somewhere) to re-interpreting the implications of open, openness, and opening (in various senses such as development, awakening and liberation) in relation to the meaning of freedom in the free culture movement. Reswik 17:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't light my desire to learn.-Hillgentleman 09:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Free learning community
 * It doesn't sound like a Motto. A motto is a set of words you keep for youself.  Free learning community sounds more like a three-letter advertisement and is more suitable to be a SLOGAN.-Hillgentleman 09:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Reswik, I would rather place the emphasis on learning, e.g. Community for Open Learning.--Hillgentleman 07:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * On reflection, for the motto contest, I prefer the open/free learning/education options -- simpler. --Reswik 14:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It certainly is simple, straight forward, and accurate. If nothing else better comes up, why not stick with simplisty? --  Zanimum 16:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, plainly. Opening minds or not, let the events speak for themselves.--Hillgentleman

Comments"three principles" group

 * General comments on this group:
 * While examples given in this group do not (seem to me to) fit fully the purpose of the motto as stated in the goals of the contest, some variant of this group could possibly serve the descriptive purpose of the motto in a motto-name-logo context. -- Reswik 18:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * None motivates me.--Hillgentleman 07:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Works better as a slogan then a motto--Rayc 21:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Learn. Teach. Know.
 * I know the whole 'let's pretend we're an old European university by having a Latin motto' is pretty daft, but just in case anyone's interested, the Latin of the above could be  'cognosco. perdoceo. scio.' . --Sam 23:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't light my desire to learn.--Hillgentleman 09:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Read. Learn. Share.


 * Learn. Teach. Discover. -- option suggested by Scribe on 15 October 2006.
 * IT doesn't light a fire in my heart.--Hillgentleman 09:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments: "open/free education/learning" group

 * Open education / Free education.
 * Open learning / Free learning.
 * It doesn't light my desire to learn.-Hillgentleman 09:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Alternates (options suggested by Reswik, based on various options above):
 * Free learning
 * Open learning
 * Free education
 * It doesn't motivate me.--Hillgentleman 09:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments: "world wide wisdom" group

 * World Wide Wisdom
 * In Latin, it may be like this: "sapientis ubi gentium" or "sapiens ubi gentium" which means mostly "wisdom where in the world". Sblisesivdin 16:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't light my desire to learn. A motto is a set of words you keep for youself, and keep yourself going. Would you work hard for world wide wisdom or for Truth, Beauty,Wisdom?--Hillgentleman 09:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this supports the overall goal of this venture, by expressing that knowledge should be freely available for anyone wishing to pursue it.--Jclayburn 06:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments: "learn and teach"

 * Where teachers learn, and learners teach.
 * I suggest we adopt the "Teach. Learn.  Discover" motto here.  I figure no one will go for "Learn.  It's good for you", eh?  The Jade Knight 23:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it's good. It gives this message: Where do you go to share knowledge? Wikiversity. Where do you go to gain knowledge? Wikiversity. Soahc 0 21:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The versions of this phrase above ( Motto, Slogan) do not include the comma ("Where teachers learn , and learners teach"). I think that the motto sounds better with the comma Deltinu 05:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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