Wikiversity:Request custodian action/Archive/23

Request for page protection
Requesting to protect HGAPS Banner page due to highly visible template, want to minimize risk of vandalism. Requesting full page protection, please! Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 23:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * @Eyoungstrom the template has 8 transclusions if you don't count userspace (9 if you do), so does not appear to be "highly visible". It has history of vandalism. Full protection would be inappropriate here. At the moment, I don't think semiprotection is needed either, but if you have reason to believe it will become *more* visible and will be vandalized in the short-term future it might be warranted. --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 23:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, appreciate the quick look. The pages that we are working on are related to clinical decision making and include topics like responses to traumatic events. IRL I teach advanced undergraduate classes on advanced statistics, psychopathology, and risk; I also teach graduate courses on clinical assessment. Thus, some of the topics that I teach include "edgy" topics. We have more than 300 pages that we are working with, and the Banner system is intended to alert across different classes, as well as allies in the HGAPS Wikimedia Usergroup. When we get into topics like trauma, the association with gun violence and other politicized topics increases the risk of vandalism. HGAPS is growing more visible, so that increases visibility beyond traffic to this page specifically. The protect request is intended to be proactive/preemptive before we use this page for tranclusion even more. I am happy to provide additional context and detail if helpful.
 * Of note, Curator Cody Naccarato is an HGAPS member and also an alumnus of one of the affected classes, which I am continuing to teach. What we are striving to balance is transparency with familiarity (with the course content, goals, and plans) while being clear that Cody is not going rogue with any curator-related actions on HGAPS pages. We will then roll the banner page out to the hundreds of our HGAPS pages once it is protected.Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 00:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added the page to my watchlist, but until/unless there is any vandalism I don't think it needs to be protected - I won't revert another custodian if they disagree, but generally I think its better to allow edits and respond accordingly rather than assume that future edits will be vandalism. I trust that university students are old enough not to vandalize the template - Assume Good Faith. DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 00:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree! I am not worried about vandalism from the inside; coping with shootings got really political really fast; I am trying to get some degree of protection in place before going big with something that could get hacked by ill intent from the outside. Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 00:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That makes more sense, but still, I don't think it needs to be protected proactively like this, sorry DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 00:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Agree! I am not worried about vandalism from the inside; coping with shootings got really political really fast. This was especially true when we attempted to link to Wikipedia pages such as Columbine shooting and Parkland shooting. We learned quickly to concentrate our efforts on Wikiversity and not over-reach with good intentions Assume Good Faith, but we spent a while in fear of people following the links back and hacking our Wikiversity pages. We also are working with topics that sometimes involve vulnerable populations (e.g., people who have been exposed to trauma, people in potential distress or dealing with mental health issues), all of which make me want to be proactive about protecting those readers from potentially offensive or harmful hacks. I am trying to get some degree of protection in place before going big with something that could get hacked by ill intent from the outside. Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 00:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 00:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree! I am not worried about vandalism from the inside; coping with shootings got really political really fast. This was especially true when we attempted to link to Wikipedia pages such as Columbine shooting and Parkland shooting. We learned quickly to concentrate our efforts on Wikiversity and not over-reach with good intentions Assume Good Faith, but we spent a while in fear of people following the links back and hacking our Wikiversity pages. We also are working with topics that sometimes involve vulnerable populations (e.g., people who have been exposed to trauma, people in potential distress or dealing with mental health issues), all of which make me want to be proactive about protecting those readers from potentially offensive or harmful hacks. I am trying to get some degree of protection in place before going big with something that could get hacked by ill intent from the outside. Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 00:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Eyoungstrom (discuss • contribs) 00:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

In general, Wikiversity doesn't preemptively protect pages. Across our more than 200,000 pages, fewer than 500 are protected. Vandalism is also much less frequent than might be expected. There are typically fewer than 10 vandalism edits reverted on a daily basis, and most of those are addressed within minutes by someone on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team. Vandalism is also typically random rather than targeted.

On the other hand, we don't hesitate to protect resources that are vandalism targets when it is demonstrated that they are. You or Cody should add all of the pages of interest to your watchlist. If there is any vandalism, those pages can quickly be escalated to semi-protected status. If the vandalism is caused by a known user, let us know here so we can block their account(s).

I also encourage you to consider applying for Curator status so that you, too, would be able to protect pages if and when a demonstrated need arises. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:44, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

CC BY-ND-4.0 backwards compatible with CC BY-ND-3.0?
My understanding is that backward compatibility is a problem. Wikiversity has Template:Cc-by-nd-3.0 but not Template:Cc-by-nd-4.0, which I would like for. See also https://www.bipm.org/en/about-us/disclaimer.html

I don't really need the image, because a link to the Wikipedia file is more than sufficient. But out of curiosity, can I import WP to WV? --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 02:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here


 * Have you seen File:International System of Units Logo.png? Would this work instead? While we do have the ND template, nothing links to it. Mixing ND and non-ND content is problematic. See Creative Commons: Compatibility Chart. I think we could technically host an ND file, but my understanding is that we couldn't put ND content on a standard non-ND text page. I'm not sure how Wikipedia does it, but it's important to note that Commons doesn't have the ND image, only a free alternative. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 05:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is perfect. I will put it in my collection of physics images. --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 05:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy delete of page with sub-pages
I went to do the speedy delete of Portal:Astronomy and discovered it has lots of subpages. Do I delete just the top page, and include all subpages in that deletion by clicking the appropriate box? --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, you have to delete each subpage separately. We can move subpages with the parent page, but not delete them. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * So I will delete all of them.--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 20:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Reformatting equations that don't fit on the page.
'''Which is better? This equation doesn't fit on the page for my browser:'''

Repeating ... we get

$$\int_V \nabla\cdot\mathbf{E}\,\,dV=\sum_{j,k} [E_x(x_{n_{j,k}},y_j,z_k)-E_x(x_{1_{j,k}},y_j,z_k)]dy dz + \sum_{i,k} [E_y(x_i,y_{n_{i,k}},z_k)-E_y(x_i,y_{1_{i,k}},z_k)]dx dz + \sum_{i,j} [E_z(x_i,y_j,z_{n_{i,j}})-E_z(x_i,y_j,z_{1_{i,j}})]dx dy+ \Theta(dxdydz)$$

so the right side is ...

-

Here I broke it into two equations:

Repeating ... we get

$$\int_V \nabla\cdot\mathbf{E}\,\,dV=\sum_{j,k} [E_x(x_{n_{j,k}},y_j,z_k)-E_x(x_{1_{j,k}},y_j,z_k)]dy dz + \sum_{i,k} [E_y(x_i,y_{n_{i,k}},z_k)-E_y(x_i,y_{1_{i,k}},z_k)]dx dz ... $$

$$+ \sum_{i,j} [E_z(x_i,y_j,z_{n_{i,j}})-E_z(x_i,y_j,z_{1_{i,j}})]dx dy+ \Theta(dxdydz)$$

so the right side is ...

-

Better yet, use align:

$$ \begin{align}\int_V \nabla\cdot\mathbf{E}\,\,dV =&\sum_{j,k} [E_x(x_{n_{j,k}},y_j,z_k)-E_x(x_{1_{j,k}},y_j,z_k)]dy dz \quad ...\\ & \quad + \quad \sum_{i,j} [E_z(x_i,y_j,z_{n_{i,j}})-E_z(x_i,y_j,z_{1_{i,j}})]dx dy+ \Theta(dxdydz) \end{align}$$


 * I'll leave the expression itself up to you, but when we format program code on multiple lines, we leave an operator at the end of the line, making it obvious to the reader that something else follows. For example:     Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. Physics calculations largely preceded the computer age, so I think I will follow that paradigm.  I have decided to go with the aligned equations.  That's how the journals would probably do it. --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 20:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Received error "New User Created Page with External Link" while trying to publish my page.
I'm working on a project for college, and I received the error "New User Created Page with External Link" while trying to publish the page for said project. The links I used on the page were citations to journal articles I used for evidence. I was trying to publish the page to "Creating Federal Writers' Project – Life Histories/2021/Spring/105/Section 60/Frank Freeman".

Update: was able to fix the issue b publishing the page once without the links, then republishing with the links

New User Exceeded New Page Limit - help requested
Hi there, my name's Chris. I'm new (as of April 2021) to WikiVersity, but not new to WikiMedia; I was involved in WikiVet for many years. You can see me in action talking about WikiVet at EduWiki 2012 on YouTube; perhaps google it as I'm worried if I try to put a link in to an edit as a 'new user' my edit will be blocked.

WikiMedia seems to have changed a fair bit since I last dabbled; I've hit barriers trying to create my user page as a 'new user' - blocked first as a 'New User creating page with external links', and then once I'd taken those out and tried to republish hit a new buffer of 'New User Exceeded New Page Limit'. Not the most friendly of introductions.... :( can anyone enable my UserPage creation please? ChrisTrace (discuss • contribs) 14:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikiversity! Wikiversity is a very small wiki in terms of volunteer support. We've had to resort to technical limits to keep down the spam and vandalism. We're happy to support legitimate users. Please try again. Within a few days and a few edits, you should be up to full strength. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 16:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

This has happen to me as well. My name is Janet and in editing my user page so I can be added to the topic I have choosen for my class at university, I have hit this snag. My university uses wikiversity as its assignment platform. So it is important that my word limit is not hindered, as we are required to write 4000 words. Janet 3071529 Any help with this would be great. thank you.


 * The page you attempted to create was a main space page rather than your user page. See User:Janet 3071529. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 23:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Just a heads up that I've got 150 or so new students signing up in Motivation and emotion and starting to create content this week. So, if there's any tweaks you can do to help allow new users to edit, we'd appreciate it. Live classes are a bit hard when they can't save edits. Understand the challenge of finding a balance. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * They shouldn't have any problems creating subpages. They also shouldn't have any problems creating user pages if they create them without links in the content and then add links after creating the pages. Based on current abuse patterns it would be best if we can retain the current abuse filters by having students follow this approach. I will keep a close eye on the abuse logs for the next few weeks and try to help students as we go. Most importantly, please encourage students not to wait for deadlines in order to start their efforts. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 23:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Dave - that's great to know, appreciate it. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Good New User Blocked
Hi friends, I was trying to share a message about the upcoming Board of Trustees elections and was blocked. I am a Board Election facilitator for the Wikimedia Foundation. I also have been a volunteer for about five years across WikiJournals and other projects. Best, JKoerner (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 20:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikiversity! Sorry about the editing challenges. We've been under attack lately and our abuse filters are tighter than we'd normally like. Please try again. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Lua Error in displaying the documenation pages within templates
Hello all,

I encountered an error and I am not sure the proper method of reporting this, so I am posting it here. Upon editing some templates, I found this error message: "Lua error in Module:Documentation at line 140: message: type error in message cfg.container (string expected, got nil)." I just wanted to double check that people who can code Lua are aware of this problem and that we can get a fix ASAP. It seems to impact every template page I visit on Wikiversity. I am not sure if other users are having this problem, but it makes it difficult for me to view template pages and edit documentation. Thanks all. Cody naccarato (discuss • contribs) 13:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @Cody naccarato: Fixed. Looks like it stemmed from Module:Documentation. Looks like I caused it when I imported a more recent version of Module:Documentation from wp as part of the import of a separate page. Thanks for spotting it! Here was a very logical place to raise it. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 01:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

New user trying to create article with outside links
Hi there! I have taken time and effort off, to create a list of sorted links of ressources for learning classical nahuatl (the language of the aztecs in colonial times); here the finished article is: https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Aztec_language&action=edit&redlink=1 or here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A-VNxcYMW378Ny6AL80fz_JGgnViRW4yJshL7aAuCuE/edit as a google doc, if anyone wants to check it. I believe it to be of great cervice to learners of this beautiful language (also, the language was marked as a suggested creation elsewere. -- ARCHEologe (discuss • contribs) 01:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikiversity! Please create resources without links to start with. Once your account is established, you'll be able to create resources with links. Let us know whenever you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

203.92.95.162
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but can an admin (or custodian as what it's called here) block this IP. I've requested for a global block for vandalism on other wikis as well (including on en.voy, wikimania and simple.wikipedia). Thanks! SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 05:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello. Yes, this is the right place to request this. It seems like Danny has blocked the IP for a month, so ✅ —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 14:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Did I properly import this template from Wikipedia?
See Template:Diagonal split header. --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 22:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Better to use Special:Import rather than copy and paste. Import the template and the /doc. Then check for any missing called templates or modules. Clean up if necessary. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

New userpage
Hi, I'm using Wikiversity for the first time, and I want to crate my user page. But anytime I press "publish changes", A message will tell me that what I had written included an external link (which it did) and wasn't constructive. What do I do now? Twilight Sparkle 222 (discuss • contribs) 01:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Twilight Sparkle 222 sorry about that, user pages created with links are often spam. I see that you're trying to link to your enwiki user page - if you use a wikilink instead, it should work:  produces a link w:User:Twilight Sparkle 222 --DannyS712 (discuss • contribs) 01:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll try it. Twilight Sparkle 222 (discuss • contribs) 21:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

83.6.223.142
This IP is rather posting nonsense in articles, and is already blocked on sister project Wikivoyage for vandalism. SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 22:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I checked those edits. So far, they seem to be a bit unconventional, but not without some educational value. Thanks for the heads-up. We'll keep an eye on it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 01:53, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

New User Exceeded New Page Limit
Hi all - I was attempting to create my new userpage and link to my professional bio (external). I now know I can't add external links without a longer track record of changes..so I am happy to hold off on adding that for now. Unfortunately, I am now getting this error "Error: This action has been automatically identified as potentially harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: New User Exceeded New Page Limit" --Anagybkc (discuss • contribs) 19:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikiversity! Creating new pages is also limited for new users. I've created the two pages you were working on. Keep editing for a few days and you should be up to full strength. Let us know whenever you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 01:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism
2404:160:812b:6a88:aff:deec:fe2d:e11f contribs --Jan Myšák (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Marshallsumter
User:Marshallsumter has asked that the block on his account be reviewed.. I ask that all custodians and bureaucrats review the block and determine whether or not the block should be lifted, and if so, under what conditions.

From my own review of the files Marshallsumter uploads and claims are fair use, there is sufficient violation of both Fair Use doctrine and our own EDP policy that the block should remain in place. Marshallsumter has demonstrated repeated disregard for policies and procedures he doesn't agree with, and I don't have the time, interest, or capacity to monitor his efforts going forward. In my opinion, his efforts represent a net negative effect on Wikiversity and support maintaining an indefinite block.

If anyone prefers that this review be done as a Community Review, please let me know.

Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 19:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * IMO, that is a legitimate and appropriate block. The egregious violations of WMF fair use / V edp combined with the difficulty of convincing Marshallsumter that this is the case are an unnecessary distraction from our core mission. I see no benefit in diverting our community's attention away from productive contributions to participating in a V:CR. I agree that this participation has a net negative impact for our site. --mikeu talk 22:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't have time to investigate fair use laws, but that fact Marshallsumter continues to argue his views despite the fact that not one person on Wikiversity agrees with him tells me he is not ready to come back. --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 08:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Single "=" headers on Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion
While trying to clean up Requests for Deletion I noticed two headers I thought were not allowed:

I also noticed the absence of a TOC. Is this the way it's supposed to be? Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 08:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * From an accessibility perspective, no. There should only be one  level heading on any page, and that's the page title. However, as far as I know, this is the way the RfD page has always been. If you look at the instructions, each deletion item is added with == as a Level 2 heading.
 * The TOC is called for. I suspect because there are only two level-one headings, it is being ignored. You could try shifting everything one level down and see what happens. The other possibility is that there is a NOTOC somewhere in one of the includes.
 * Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 19:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It may be a namespace issue. I don't see any instances of a working TOC in the Wikiversity namespace. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 02:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

User:Abhiversity2011


Looks like a duplicate account of blocked user. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 23:40, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 01:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Musical modes
Please hide some URL spam in the history of the page. It is related to Long-term abuse/Projects. SVTCobra (discuss • contribs) 02:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅. &mdash; Hasley talk  02:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Joyce.Rodvie
I am about to publish an article for Global Audiology/Europe/Belgium but cannot proceed because of unconstructive content. I am one of the researchers/team under Global Audiology and the International Society of Audiology (ISA), and I would like to request access since we would like to complete the Wikiversity Global Audiology content before World Hearing Day 2023. Thank you! Joyce.Rodvie (discuss • contribs) 07:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Joyce.Rodvie: Welcome to Wikiversity! I've created the page for you, but please note and share with colleagues that it isn't possible for new editors to publish content like this without several days of edit history. Everyone can start by introducing themselves on their own user pages. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dave BraunschweigI appreciate your prompt response and resolution to this matter. We'll take note of this. Thank you! 158.62.38.104 (discuss) 09:38, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Profane User Account

 * Profane user account

The user's username is profane. Leonidlednev (discuss • contribs) 17:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅. &mdash; Hasley talk  18:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Massive resource renaming suggestion for those named after Wikiversity users
Dear Wikiversity custodians, please allow me to ask a question, do we usually accept resources named after Wikiversity users? Some examples that I recently found is here, which is a list of resources prefixed with the name of User:Herb5902. My concern is, visitors who are familiar with the user may not have trouble to find them, but others may never reach to these resources. I think the username prefix should be removed from mainspace resources. I'm looking forward to hear opinions from the custodians. Thank you for your attention. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 08:56, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Usernames should not be in the main title. They are sometimes used for subpage titles. All of the Herb5902 pages should have been in User: space. I've moved them. Whether or not these pages should exist at all is a different question. I don't know that any of this user's content is or will become useful. But in the past, the community has been very tolerant of this type of educational use as being consistent with the Mission in that it provides a learning experience for the user creating it.
 * I personally would like to see some type of limit on user pages that never become part of a larger project useful to others. I don't know if that number is 10, 20, 25, something in that range. Allowing users to go beyond that just creates a bigger cleanup mess later without providing any value to the community.
 * I could try to write a bot script that would look to see if a main page title has the user's name in it. It would take a lot of processing (downloading all titles and page history), and I'm not sure how much it would find. If you have other examples, it might be easier to just list them.
 * Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I found some. Other resources with the same status are:
 * Alandmanson/Arthropods of Africa (As prefix, User:Alandmanson)
 * COVID-19/Dan Polansky (As subpage directory, User:Dan Polansky)
 * English as a hybrid Romance-Germanic language (Polansky), Transgenderism (Polansky), Hedonism (Polansky) (As disambiguation, User:Dan Polansky)
 * I'm not sure if these should be moved to userspace, or just remove the username part and let it remain in the main namespace. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Alandmanson has multiple User: resources. I've moved this page to user space. The COVID-19 project has multiple user-specific subpages and seems appropriate as is. The other Polansky pages have been moved to subpages and/or renamed. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 19:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm bored and have the tools, so I've done that processing. Results are at User:Omphalographer/Usernames in page titles. Most of the results are named subpages which are probably fine, but there are some obvious user pages in resource space in the results, as well as a couple of instances of potential COI. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 20:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Main space root pages have been addressed. Subpages and most other namespaces ignored. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Transgenderism (Polansky)
I found one user page for a non-registered user, and seems to be created in accident. Should we delete userpages of non-existent users? I already know many projects quickly delete things like these, but I'm asking this because the current version of WV:SD does not mention this criteria. If deletion with this reason is acceptable, then I think it should be added to MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 09:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The page in this case was already a redirect. I deleted it as an unused redirect. I think the answer to the general question depends on why the page was created and by whom. In other words, the appropriate resolution probably already exists. If there is a reasonable place to move the page to, it can be moved. If there is no reasonable place to move it, it should qualify for one of the existing WV:SPEEDY reasons. You can also delete pages with other reasons, such as "Non-existent user". Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Template talk:Unencyclopedic
This talk page has been selected for speedy deletion because it is an orphaned talk page, although the page includes a great amount of discussion history and might be worthful to be saved as an archive. Should we simply handle the speedy deletion request or should we move this to the initial creator's userspace without redirect? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 12:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The template it refers to was deleted in 2010 as unused and not relevant. The discussion is consistent with many other early Wikiversity discussions of what Wikiversity should or shouldn't be. If you'd like to preserve it, please move it to something like Wikiversity:Unencyclopedic and tag it as Historical. Otherwise, you're welcome to delete it. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I moved it to the project namespace (Unencyclopedic) and tagged historical, thank you for the suggestion. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 14:33, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Revdel request
https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Should_capital_punishment_be_legal%3F&diff=prev&oldid=2487128 —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:57, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Special:Contributions/41.98.66.197 —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:22, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/2601:206:8580:35D0:50A1:407E:54B3:F4B0
Seems to be a xwiki spammer/vandal, already blocked at English Wikinews and should be blocked at here too. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 04:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems to be shifted to Special:Contributions/2601:206:8580:35D0:C85A:FCE2:AE3F:A095. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 08:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * /64 subnet blocked. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Drafts moved to main space without preliminary reviews
I noticed that these were moved into mainspace without comments from others. I'm not sure who is and who is not allowed to review drafts etc., so I listed them so that the custodians can take a look at them. Thank you for the attention. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 16:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Circumference of a circle
 * Area of a circle
 * Castillerño


 * Now reviewed. The two circle article moves were violations of previous community agreement. The content was deleted and the user blocked. The third article was moved to user space. Hopefully, the user will engage in community discussion before taking any additional action. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding who's allowed or not allowed to review and move content, it really depends on why it was moved to draft space to begin with. If it was just a stub or less and moved to give the user time to develop it, then anyone could move it once they believe it has value. If there is discussion regarding the appropriateness of the content, then the Drafts proposal requires support from a respected community member to move it to main space. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Cross namespace redirects
Are there any policies or guidelines about cross namespace redirects? I noticed that there is Area of a circle, a redirect from project space to main space. I know that some projects don't allow cross namespace redirects, but since I couldn't find documentations about this at here, I'm asking this question to be safe and sure. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @MathXplore It depends. If it is a legitimate resource that users might expect to be in one namespace but is found in another (Help: vs. Wikiversity: vs. main space, for example), then the redirects are allowed to help everyone find the content. On the other hand, if it has no legitimate relation to Wikiversity itself, then there shouldn't be a Wikiversity: redirect. This one has been removed. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

About this user page
Should this be counted as an userspace draft, legitimate user profile or spam? Since I cannot restore pages, I'm reporting this page to be safe and sure. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 14:17, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * In this case, it has multiple issues. It is spam. It is out of scope in that wiki articles should be on en.wiki (or hi.wiki in this case). And it appears to be an abuse of multiple user accounts. Deleted. Thanks for asking! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The spammer has returned in mainspace: Swati Ahoja. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 06:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

About this move
A user has moved their user talk page into draft talk space with username remaining in title. Since an orphaned talk page cannot remain, I think this move is problematic, but I think there are 3 ways to resolve: In this case, which option should be better? I would be glad to hear about opinions. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Move the page from draft talk to draft space with an appropriate title (please see here for a former discussion about usernames in resources)
 * Revert the move without redirect
 * Move the page from draft talk to user space without redirect

After I started this thread, the user moved the draft talk to Talk:Joschtony, so I deleted the draft talk page, reset their user talk and send a message. Now the user made a draft named Draft:Joschtony. My new question is, should we allow drafts named after users? Since the user does not reply to my message, I request custodians to communicate with them. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I would have moved it to their sandbox, but they already have a sandbox. I just deleted it and left a message. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 03:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the draft review. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The draft has been created again with same name (username). Should it be deleted again? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 03:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Deleted and protected. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 13:38, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:HTML in Wikitext
This is an entry tagged for speedy deletion, but since I'm not sure if it meets WV:CSD, I request custodian decision. The reason for speedy deletion is "This page is nonsense, possibly AI-generated. No such syntax exists in Mediawiki nor in any other software I'm familiar with". I understand that nonsense means gibberish or incomprehensible things in Wikimedia projects, so I wasn't sure if this is really nonsense. Instead, I thought resources with disputed accuracy (the existence of such syntax given in entry) should not remain in main space, so I moved it into draft space.

On the other hand, the original author once blanked this page, and I just restored context with moving things to a right namespace but no longer oppose against deletion. If the syntax given in entry does not really exist, then can this be deleted as "author request"? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 01:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft space is for content that's being worked on, and which has some chance of being developed into a viable educational resource. This page was created and blanked a few minutes later by an IP editor, so it doesn't seem likely to be developed further. Nor is it clear that there's even anything meaningful to develop - as I noted in my speedy deletion request, the features described in the page don't exist in MediaWiki. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 01:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, one more question. How did you estimate as possibly AI-generated? MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a little hard to quantify, but the factors that jump out at me the most are: 1) it's a bunch of content, all added at once, which isn't obviously copied from any public source but doesn't have the written "texture" of a first draft; 2) the content more or less makes sense at a small scale but lacks direction and fails to make sense at a larger scale; 3) some of the micro-level details are absurd, like suggesting that documents be published in the obscure JWPUB file format. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 03:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I recognize possibly AI-generated content as a new widespread issue in WMF projects, but I wasn't sure how they are discovered or detected. This could be a good hint. Thank you for the explanation. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I support the deletion. It's not something we should document here. If it did exist as a valid feature, creating a lesson that refers to MediaWiki: for source documentation and then shows how to use the feature might be appropriate, but only if examples don't already exist on the MediaWiki site. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 03:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * On a related note: the Help namespace could probably use a bit of attention. Most of the content in there probably needs be moved to another namespace or deleted; virtually none of it is actually MediaWiki documentation, and this project is really not large enough to maintain its own fork of MW documentation. Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 03:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of unused templates
I noticed that some unused templates have been deleted in past, but WV:CSD does not mention about deletion criteria for templates. Are there any related guidelines or discussions about template deletions? (Currently Template:Leave feedback is tagged for speedy deletion) MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's any established policy. Templates aren't learning resources, though; if a template isn't in use and doesn't seem likely to be used, deleting it should be uncontroversial.
 * As far as Leave feedback goes, it was imported into the Help: namespace by accident in 2010, and has never been used. The concept seems viable, but it depends on a bunch of other templates which weren't imported, and the original has seen some updates since then. If we wanted to solicit feedback from editors, we'd probably be better off re-importing the template from enwiki than trying to get this old copy to work.
 * (Thanks for spotting that some of the other help-space templates were actually referenced at their intended names, by the way. I didn't expect that would have been the case!) Omphalographer (discuss • contribs) 17:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I typically delete unused templates when I find them, but I've never gone out of my way to look for them. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 21:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/2001:448A:2022:B44C:B1FF:F5A9:BDF5:1193
- vandaslim.

Special:Contributions/193.218.118.106
Xwiki spamming, already blocked at English Wikiquote and reported to Meta. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 07:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Url is now blacklisted. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)