Wikiversity:Request custodian action/Archive/7

Vandalism tools
I, and it looks like other custodians, haven't quite as present around here lately. I've noticed that anonymous IP vandals seem to be doing more editing before we are responding. One today made 30 (?) or so edits. Fortunately Adambro was around to mop up. S/he makes some excellent suggestions here User_talk:Adambro, basically (paraphrasing): -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Non-admin rollback scripts: How can we get one of the non-admin rollback scripts to use here because it is a bit tedious having to go through all the diffs clicking undoing after checking I'm not reverting back to another edit by the vandal.
 * 2) AbuseFilter: It doesn't appear that WV has the AbuseFilter extension installed. That might help with the vandalism. Obviously not going to stop everything, or you risk inconveincing genuine users, but could perhaps be a useful tool.


 * Any reason not to just give him the whole kit and kaboodle? He's an admin on several other projects, so shouldn't need much in the way of mentoring. If we have trustworthy folks around doing RC patrolling, seems easy enough to just give them the tools -- especially since most of the sysops here aren't around much any more (me included). Not much sense playing whack-a-mole endlessly when a block button would be more efficient. --SB_Johnny talk 14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd support Adambro for tools. But, we might also want to look into opening rollback to more people the way that wp did a while back.  --mikeu talk 15:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've nominated Adambro: Candidates for Custodianship. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 17:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Removing explicit content
Some of the spam recently was the "insert explicit image from commons" type e.g., on talk pages. At least one user has contacted me about that. What's the process for requesting oversight of such edits? And could we perhaps add that to Vandalism and/or Managing vandalism? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As a result of the recent repeat vandalism I added a couple of images to MediaWiki:Bad image list. This prevents them from appearing in the page history. (see  for example) For oversight you can go to irc channel #wikimedia-stewards on freenode.  (requests are not made on wiki to prevent vandals from evading the response and to limit the number of people who notice the edit)  Type "@steward oversight request" (again, don't post links to a page needing oversight in the channel itself, wait for a steward to private message you)  I'm not sure that I would request oversight of a large number of pages with just an explicit image.  This is more for someone posting personal information, threats, etc.  You could also delete the page, and then restore all versions except the one with the image edit.  This would hide the edit from anyone who does not have tools. For urgent advice, drop by #wikiversity-en and there will probably be someone there who can offer some solutions or workarounds.  --mikeu talk 11:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt this would qualify for oversight... generally that's only used for cases when private information is improperly disclosed and needs to be hidden from all users (including sysops). You could delete that version instead.
 * Last time I got oversight for something the steward mentioned that it causes slight problems with the database. Darkcode would probably know more about that.
 * BTW, there are a lot of explicit images on commons, so trying to badlist them all would take quite some effort :-). --SB_Johnny talk 12:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree, I would not ask for oversight for something that is only vandalism. Jtneill, the guidelines at Oversight list "non-public personal information" and "potentially libellous information" as approved use for oversight.  Another use might be to hide a username that contains libel.  Deleting the individual edits from the revision history that contain the image is better, but can be a pain if there are many pages.  That is why I Bad_image'd those two that were used by a serial vandal.  --mikeu talk 15:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Advanced Projects in Chemistry
I have quite a few questions - 1.I have submitted 3 other Chem Projects on Wikiversity AP Chem projects and now they are lost 2. What criteria should my writing conform to to get Wikified-I have quite a few projects of use to contribute 3.Where do I submit my writing each time? Sincerely Anjali (anjali@podar.net) recently registered the account "Anjali" on Wikiversity from the IP address 202.159.225.252.


 * It looks like you have made contributions to the page Category:Advanced Placement and Pre-AP Chemistry projects. Are these the lost projects that you are talking about?  The material at that page should get moved a new name, because the Category: pages are use to organize materials and text should go to pages with names in main space like Advanced Placement and Pre-AP Chemistry projects.  --mikeu talk 12:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Advanced Projects in Chemistry
Yes that is the lost content-is it wikified? What is thequality check for it to be wikified? I know that JTNeill moved my content to Advanced Projects in Chemistry- how do those link with this sitehe created? But I am still at loss or thoroughly confused on the entire logical process of how this is working. Cud u please explain? My main goal is to contribute content/publish towards the Wikiversity After content is uploaded -editing- section wise delegation of content-uploading of content how is all this process happening? SincerelyAnjali 14:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)Anjali
 * Dear Anjali! Just a few quick points that might help you to get a clearer picture:


 * Go through FAQ/Editing, at least the first part. It explains how to use links within Wikiversity.
 * About the previous remarak of mikeu: Just compare the category Category:Advanced Placement and Pre-AP Chemistry projects and Category:Chemistry. The latter one is, how the category pages should look like: minimum text and listing all relevant categories and pages.
 * Next time you just hit "edit" link near the sub-heading, you dont need to create another section for the same thing. --Gbaor 13:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

There are unfortunately other users "Ocj" please change mine to Epid, thank you, regards Ocj 18:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

"Founder" actions probably need to be undone
See the log for details. I don't see any prior discussion of either the deletion or the block. Unless I'm missing something or there are strong objections, I intend to undo both. The project doesn't seem to actually be out of scope, and I don't see anything "disruptive" in the user's contributions. --SB_Johnny talk 10:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd strongly advise against anyone undoing these actions. Jimbo isn't daft. He knows exactly what he is doing. Suggest discussing it with him before taking any action as he has requested; "please do not unblock without consulting with me". The reason he has the "Founder" status is to allow him to retain a degree of control over the WMF projects so he can, as he considers appropriate, use those rights if he feels it is in the interests of the project or WMF projects more broadly. Adambro 12:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but after looking further into it, both the deletion and the block were completely inappropriate. I'll open a discussion about it on WV:CR, but for now I'm undoing the actions for the following reasons:
 * The project does seem to fall within Wikiversity's scope, as established by precedent in numerous and exhaustive discussions surrounding most of the other pages in the Wikimedia Ethics project. As this page was primarily simply an investigation into breaching projects that have taken place on Wikipedia, it is clearly within the scope of Wikipedia studies.
 * Unlike the materials in that project that were found to be objectionable, this was because they were perceived to be attacks or inappropriate criticism of individual Wikipedia editors. This page does not do that.
 * Since the page seems within scope and I didn't see anything in User:Privatemusings' other contributions, the block was inappropriate as well.
 * The only "background" to this seems to be this note on Jimbo's WP talk page, which is insufficient reason for the actions he performed here.
 * Again, I will open a community review in a few minutes and link to it here and on his talk. --SB_Johnny talk 12:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * So have you discussed this with Jimbo first? If not I feel you've made a mistake here to reverse his actions. Jimbo is a member of the Board and so has the power to take actions such as this as he feels appropriate. I appreciate your significant concerns that he has taken these actions but discussing these concerns with him would be the right course of action. Adambro 13:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll leave him a note on his WP talk and hopefully he'll join us on Wikiversity:Community Review/Wikimedia Ethics:Ethical Breaching Experiments. It can't reasonably be discussed if the page is deleted, and the main contributor is unable to participate. --SB_Johnny talk 13:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I previously gutted the main content of the project and warned Privatemusings about continuing down that path. I don't really see any need for the Founder's actions or any need to undo it as the the problematic aspects of the project were already discontinued. I made it clear that discussions on breaching and the rest would be okay as long as there was no advocacy towards or aiding of violations. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood, and thanks for your efforts thus far. Jimbo kinda upped the ante though, so we need to deal with the hand we're dealt at this point. --SB_Johnny talk 22:49, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Problems in creating account
I tried signing up with a new account, but the system tells me the two usernames I tried are already taken (so I assume that I have a username already). But if I try to get a new password it says "no such username", which is weird. It can't be both!

Regards,

M D Reisman

mdreisman@aol.com


 * Has anyone tried to resolve this yet? The Jade Knight (d'viser) 19:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Error on Main page
Turns out you don't have a editprotected so I guess I just post here. Problem outlined at Talk:Educational Picture of the Day. Rambo&#39;s Revenge 23:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thx and was fixed, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 11:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've imported editprotected from WP so we now have a template for such requests. It will add the page to Category:Wikiversity protected edit requests which perhaps should be listed somewhere prominently for custodians to be aware of. I'm not sure where though. Adambro 12:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * This wasn't set up right so I've fixed the categorisation. As for listing it prominently I've put it at the top of this page and it will turn red when there are oustanding requests. Feel free to move it, but this seemed the most logical place to put it. Thanks, Rambo&#39;s Revenge 13:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Page doesn't exist text
Where is the text that appears if a page doesn't exist stored? There is an extra square bracket to be removed - e.g. see any redlink - Help:Gallery2... Actually, the text I'm talking about only appears if you type a non-existent page in directly - try http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Help:Gallery2 - it doesn't appear when clicking on a red link. Not sure why. It's good info that appears when putting in a page name - how could we make it appear when clicking on any red link? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I am glad you like it :-)
 * I have removed the extra square bracket.
 * I can make red links display the same or similar text too, if that is wanted. Using the same amount of space though will push the textbox down.
 * -- dark lama  01:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it would be worth adding. On Wikibooks they have a lot of text when clicking on a red link, but it does go straight to the edit box, with the standard text above. Not sure if this is default or something they've done. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The textbox has focus, in my web browser at least I still have to scroll down to bring the entire textbox into view. -- dark lama  02:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks good I think. Was wondering about the sister project links though - they are generic. What do you think about customising them to search each sister project for PAGENAME? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:23, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * What's focus? In WB using firefox I get taken straight to the edit box when clicking on a red link. On WV I start at the top of the page. Not a big deal since even the new WV text is quite short, but I'm curious. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Focus in the context of a textbox means the textbox is ready to receive any text you type without having to press the tab key to cycle through or click the mouse button over the textbox first. -- dark lama  02:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Aha, yes, I see. So, how is focus controlled? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I cannot see anything that Wikibooks could be doing to make that happen. -- dark lama  02:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

check your site
I was able to modify the text on your site...may want to look into that. There are (edit) links that allowed me to make changes and save.....
 * That's correct - you can edit - its a wiki. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

creating a new account
I'm trying to create an account. The "fuzzy" code letters pop up and I type them in, but I keep getting a message that there is missing information or incorrect code. I don't get it, I'm sure I'm spelling the words right. What am I doing wrong? 68.225.14.236 02:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Were your letters the right case? Sometimes a capital "i" looks like a lowercase "L". You can refresh and get another set. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Rollback request
Did some Recent Changes Patrol here and found the lack of rollback quite irritating, took much more work to go back through six IP vandalisms in sequence. I'd appreciate having the rollback privilege, I have it on en.wiki. One more question: this was a short IP range, where would I request a temporary rangeblock? Thanks. (For reference, see, all edits were vandalism.) --Abd 01:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking around, it seems that rollback may not be a separated privilege here, as on en.wiki, it's only given with custodianship? I could be helpful, I suppose, with custodianship, I doubt I'd wreck the place.... --Abd 01:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want custodianship, apply and I'll vouch for you if no one else will. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ottava. I'll go for it. I cannot promise to be always active, but at least I can contribute. The process here of allowing adminship on a trial basis is a great idea, if removal is easy, as it should be, especially for admins in a trial period. --Abd 16:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Resolved. I was granted probationary custodianship, see Candidates for Custodianship/Abd. Thanks, Ottava. --Abd 16:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)