Wikiversity talk:Curriculum committee/List of Schools/Draft by Sidelight12

Philosophy is categorized as under Humanities on wikipedia. Any thoughts on this? On Britannica they are neither under the other's category. I'd rather leave them as solo categories. One is about human thought, the other is about every other aspect of humanity. - Sidelight12 Talk 14:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

This was based off of branches of knowledge by Mortimer J. Adler. This is in no way the encyclopedia trying to dictate how things should be categorized, this is from the propaedia. There was an alternate categorization in this encyclopedia, but it was too complex. It doesn't matter if its based from an encyclopedia, but it matters that this is a clean and logical way to organize it. I added psuedoscience to it, since there were subjects that I didn't know where they fit, possibly they would fit under a combination of Science and Philosophy. - Sidelight12 Talk 04:05, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


 * No complaints here about dropping pseudoscience. - Sidelight12 Talk 09:12, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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In which school can I learn about Business Process Management? On the Dutch wikiversity (https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hoofdpagina) we have an alphabetical list of learning projects. For "business learners" learning is not about schools. Timboliu (discuss • contribs) 21:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Look at WV:Curriculum committee/List of Schools/Draft by Abd. In that list, you will find Business schools. Business learners do go to schools. A "school" here is a way of categorizing learning projects by a kind of general goal of the learner. If your goal is business education, you'd look at a Business School here. We have not decided, necessarily, what to call that; looking at the classification system is what we are doing.


 * Sidelight's list was organized according to an encyclopedia's systematic organization knowledge into categories. However, Wikiversity is much more like a university than an encyclopedia. So we will probably come up with something much more resembling the departments and course catalog of a very broad university.


 * We have an alphabetical list of resources, but it's not terribly useful at this point, often because resources have not been systematically names. That list will become more useful as we organize mainspace better, so that, say, instead of List of sources on cold fusion, which you would never find in a massive alphabetic list, we might have Cold fusion/Sources. Or what we actually have, Cold fusion/Recent sources.


 * Take a look at the course list: . Good luck finding anything there. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 02:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Again. My categorization was based on "branches of knowledge," it has nothing to do with encyclopedia organization. It just so happens this is where I got this idea from, and attributed it. On the second level down, it can include business and computer science departments. Business school would be the second level down as a combination of humanities, and math. - Sidelight12 Talk 07:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Remember, our topic is the organization of Wikiversity, and here, of the School namespace. I don't know what you mean by a "combination of humanities and math." What would the pagename look like?


 * Business schools don't fit neatly under either School:Humanities or School:Math, they just happen to use some courses that might fit there. Business schools are driven by the educational market. A corporation wants to hire someone with knowledge and skill, what knowledge and skills are needed. We don't award degrees, but as we grow, organizations that do award degrees based on Wikiversity courses will arise. Will we have the educational structures they need?


 * Motivation and emotion is run as a for-credit course, after all, at a brick-and-mortar university that pays the professor's salary. The decision about credit, i.e, passing grades, is not made here, nor would it ever be made here, my sense (-- it would open a huge can of worms). But add a credible credential-issuing organization (like an existing university) to Wikiversity courses, and let the fizz settle, presto! a credential, for users who have done the work. Probably not quite free, for basic structural reasons, but probably cheap. There can be many such organizations, and if the volunteers can be found, it could be supported by charitable donations. *It might indeed be free.* I'm just not holding my breath for it. It takes years to build a recognized credentialing organization, so I expect this will start with existing universities that develop facilities for validating education. There are plenty of diploma mills that already credit work experience, and, I think, a few legitimate and accredited schools. Small step from there.


 * In any case, While we might have a School:Humanities, it would really be a general category, like School:Arts. It's way too broad to attract the pool of expertise and focused interest that I see as necessary for a truly functional school here. Philosophy is generally considered a topic in the humanities, but School:Philosophy makes sense. I would not make the pagename be School:Humanities/Philosophy, it simply lengthens the page name without increasing utility. However, School:Humanities would list School:Philosophy as a School relating to the Humanities.


 * Right now, first priority, I'm interested in actual page names. The first thing that other WikiMedians notice, here, is the utter chaos of page names. It creates a very poor impression of Wikiversity. And it makes it difficult to find what is needed. Yes, a skilled user can navigate it, but people don't start as skilled users!


 * Of course, the criticism is a bit unfair. Wikipedia is chaotic as to page names. It grew like Topsy. Real encyclopedias had managing editors! Still, my point: we can do far, far better.


 * We could, in fact, ultimately have links here to every sane Wikipedia article. That's part of my vision for Wikiversity as the shining gem of the WMF family, the place to go if one truly wants to learn about a topic, rather than just reading an encyclopedic summary, and if we do our work well, we will see some drastic improvements to Wikipedia.


 * This was attempted, and triggered massive disruption here, because it was attempted by users who saw Wikipedia problems as being the fault of Bad Administrators, there, instead of being a natural result of established structure. It failed, for quite obvious and necessary reasons. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 17:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * We'll leave the schools alone. I started the structure for a Wikiproject at Wikiproject. The subjects will be set, no matter how many participants, but taskforces will only be made if there are participants. I meant business would be under the parent project of humanities, and possibly more parent projects. - Sidelight12 Talk 17:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, that was a mess. We'll see what happens. The classification of Business under Humanities is iffy. There is a general category of School that is Vocational. But there is also the academic study of business, and the Science of Economics. Okay, okay, so it's a soft science, so far. Squishy, a bit. However, there are those who study it with a scientific approach. Patience, Sidelight. We are moving much more rapidly than I expected, in fact. Please, however, don't rush too far ahead of consensus. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 23:54, 29 January 2014 (UTC)