Wikiversity talk:Request custodian action/Archive 2

Archiving
Looked like it was time for archiving, so I did so. --HappyCamper 19:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have added archive templates to most discussions on the RCA page. After a decent time for anyone to reopen those, these should be removed to the archives. I'd do it except that ... a decent time should be allowed for anyone else to disagree with me! I intend to do it after a week if nobody else beats me to it. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Concerns of Glimmerguard/Shadowjack about activity of Abd
moved to Discussion from the RCA page, as this is explicitly not a request for custodian action. —Abd (discuss • contribs) 18:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, this note is placed by user Glimmerguard/Shadowjack.

I am not requesting any action be taken specifically, merely making sure that my actions meet conditions of transparency, fair dealing and good will.

First:

This is a complete index to all articles that I have personally written or compiled for wikiversity.

The 31.3.13 Glimmerguard articles.

1. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Light_and_Perspective 2. http...en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Quantum_Indefinite 3. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Idea_of_Quantum_Science 4. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/History_as_Time_Streams_in_Myth 5. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/History_as_Creative_Writing 6. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Real_Time_Theory 7. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Musical_Timing 8. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Parmenidean_Initiation 9. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/The_Nature_of_Object 10. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Studies_of_Time_In_Itself 11. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Studies_of_Place_In_Itself 12. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/How_to_Pack_a_Rucksack 13. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Principles_of_How_to_Pack_a_School_Satchel 14. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Gravity_Matters 15. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Local_Field_Idea 16. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/The_Doctrine_of_Change_Manuscript 17. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Inventing_the_formulas_of_physics 18. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cosmology_Patterns

The 26.1.13 Shadowjack articles.

1. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Game_domain_model 2. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Strategic_Context 3. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Thinking_machines 4. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Patterns 5. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Intellect 6. The replacement article: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra And its original: http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Boolean_algebra&oldid=1129295 7. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Zero_unity_and_infinity 8. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Laws_of_Zero 9. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Truth_value 10. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Proving 11. The replacement: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Error_correction and its original: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Shadowjack/Logic_patterns/Error_correction 12. wikiversity.org/wiki/Deductive_logic 13. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Syllogism 14. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Algebraic_Deduction 15. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Inductive_Hypothesis 16. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/If_-_Then_Statements 17. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Perfect_Syllogism 18. The replacement: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Algebraic_Perfect_Syllogism and its original: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Shadowjack/Algebraic_Perfect_Syllogism 19. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Logic_patterns 20. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Ontological_Questions 21. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Geometria 22. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Anomaly

Second:

I would also like to ensure the custodians are entirely familiar with User: Abd who has assumed editorial controls of my work. The following note is a copy of my latest communication with User: Abd.

Hi Abd. I noticed three things that may be important. 1. Abd was topic-banned on en.wikipedia, on the topic of Cold fusion, due to alleged tendentious editing. As this matter was before ArbComm, I realized that there was a business opportunity in the field, providing materials and designs for wide replication of a widely-publicized experiment (original paper) that showed the production of energetic neutrons at very low levels from cold fusion cells of a certain type, and so I began to develop an inexpensive experimental design, and am already offering the raw materials for sale at lomaxdesign.com/coldfusion. While I am committed to neutrality, this activity obviously creates a conflict of interest, which should be noted. 2. Abd is now "community banned" on Wikipedia. I am a user in good standing on all other WMF wikis. 3. Abd was a probationary custodian on Wikiversity. If any of these areas, or some other reason is causing you to act contrary to what is proper in your attitude towards me as a writer, and as well detrimental to the content of what you are editing. Then could I ask that you refrain from any involvement with my work and permit some other editor your position in this respect. Thanks. Glimmerguard/Shadowjack.

Third:

As a company wikiversity is quite free, without detriment to good will, to delete any or all of my work from its mainspace, personal space or history files.

Most of my work is original, meaning I have not plagiarised or copied other writings.

Where I have introduced other people's ideas or writings I have specified as such.

I know wikiversity has some sort of copywrite controls of my work. For this reason I have informed two New York law firms, Rawle & Henderson LLP and Cadwalader Wickersham Taft, so that we can work out the details later.

Thanks for your attention.

Can I confirm that I am not requesting any form of action in this note. I am simply ensuring custodian familiarity with my original work rather than any later editions.

Thanks. User: Glimmerguard/Shadowjack.


 * I'm aware of abd's interactions, and I've been tempted to block him in the past. Right now, I won't block unless there persists current problems. I can understand why he'd move pages to your userspace, but once that is done it is your right to blank the pages. I think you blanked the pages because you got upset. However, if anyone wants to bring the content back, they may do so. I created a page so people may still file userpage material, without having to interfere with userspace. I have no relations or stake in Wikiversity's legal matters, but its probably not necessary. I'll ask abd to not interfere with your work. - Sidelight12 Talk 14:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Clarification: Glimmerguard/Shadowjack blanked the pages first. Pages that only had a single editor of Glimmerguard/Shadowjack were then moved to user space.  Pages that had multiple editors prior to blanking were left in main space and reverted by Abd for additional editing.  There is no record of edits by Abd of any Glimmerguard/Shadowjack articles after they were moved to user space.


 * Both users should be encouraged to use their talk pages and/or the relevant article talk pages to discuss the direction of the content, and fork the projects if necessary. Abd appears to have made attempts to do this.  Glimmerguard/Shadowjack has not.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 16:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict with above). There are two active (probationary) custodians, and both are aware of the work I've been doing with the Fasten/Glimmerguard family of pages, created by him in mainspace over some years. This user generally does not discuss his edits. These pages are mostly in the nature of essays, personal opinions, original research, with ideas that the user is aware are not accepted by mainstream science and mathematics. Wikiversity can move slowly, but from my experience, the pages would eventually be nominated for deletion, and, if not moved to user space or otherwise made neutral, would be deleted. I continue to attempt to engage the user in discussion of his work, and my goal is that it be presented neutrally, and that his original drafts be accessible. Currently, most of the pages are in his user space and have been blanked by him. (They are thus at risk of deletion.) He also blanked his pages in mainspace, but that's been reverted, and various actions have been taken to make them neutral. In mainspace, the user knows that his originals remain available in history, and I have acted to create explicit links to his originals.
 * He does not understand how Wikiversity works, and does not show that he understands attempts to communicate with him.
 * I'm continuing to attempt to structure his work so that it is educationally useful and not harmful. This request should be closed as it is not a request for custodian action.
 * I do not interpret the mention of lawyers as a legal threat, but as a clumsy attempt to say that he is attempting to learn about the copyright issue (which is actually irrelevant, all he needs to do is read the notice at the bottom of the page as to what is agreed to when clicking on "Save.") —Abd (discuss • contribs) 14:45, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Glimmerguard comment: Dave Braunschweig and Abd are late, I am sorry. They sort of missed the point.

I have finished and completed all that I have to say on the wikiversity mechanism. The information that I desired to transmit to some interested parties who have no connection with wikiversity is past tense accomplished.

The copywrite thing does matter. I am in no way legally educated so it was simply a precaution to ensure Rawle & Henderson LLP and Cadwalader Wickersham Taft law firms in New York were earlier informed before I started writing in 2011. Meaning there will be no evidence of their involvement up to this point. I will be without prejudice and quite indifferent to whatever they decide are the legal ramifications of internet copywrite, and entirely happy to agree with their choice of outcome.

Copy of this note in my history files.

Thanks for your attention.


 * You are free to use the content however you wish. So are all of the rest of us.  See https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ .   -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I moved many of this user's pages to user space because there was then no urgent need to handle them, and I have only been working on a handful of pages in mainspace. One problem is that the user has linked the pages, they are, in his view, part of a coherent whole. How to handle this if some pages are in user space is an issue. Pages in user space are normally subject to the defacto supervision of the user, in mainspace to the supervision of the community.
 * If the user is truly done here, we can simply do what we choose with those pages. I'd consider bring them back into mainspace as essays, placed underneath relevant pages, thus allowing them to be presented in original form, and commentary can then also be allowed, with his original material being intact (somewhere). A page or pages or a category can be created to link them.
 * Shadowjack's original purpose, as stated above, was not what would be accepted on most WMF wikis, using the project as a web host. I did not assume this was his purpose. I assumed a good faith attempt to contribute educational resources. And so I've been acting to make them so, while satisfying WMF neutrality policy. —Abd (discuss • contribs) 18:31, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think we need to do anything other than what has already been done. The content has been shared publicly with rights under CC-BY-SA 3.0.  If you find value in the content, use it / reuse it with attribution.  If it has no value to you, leave it alone.  The only concern I see is if there is an RFD for these pages.  Then we will need to discuss further.  -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:40, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Should we move this to Community Review about Glimmergaurd and Shadowjack. --Goldenburg111 18:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, absolutely not. Community Review is to be used only if issues cannot be resolved with ordinary discussion. As Dave wrote, there isn't anything to be done here, unless some kind of disruption continues, and we can still then discuss it. It is agreed by all, except maybe Glimmerguard/Shadowjack, that the resources that are in mainspace can be edited by anyone, at this point. (And I'm not saying that G/S doesn't agree, he has essentially written, do as you wish, I'm out of here anyway.) It's agreed that resources in user space can be blanked. I see no need for an RfD at this point (I moved most pages to user space precisely to avoid that.)
 * We have plenty to do to develop and clean up Wikiversity, and we don't need to waste more time in argument. Discussion of the way forward, that's of interest and value. —Abd (discuss • contribs) 02:00, 3 January 2014 (UTC)